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THIS IS WHY HYPERION NEEDS A NERF
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Haven't seen anybody use Doc though, and probably for good reason...
Strange and Witch are still great counters. Nothing happened to their Nullify and Counterspell.
He is NOT easy to bait
Magik is defense
DS is trash these days Seal is also L3
Voodoo is my AQ runner
Wanna gimme money for OG Vis?
AoU is ok but gets REKT easy and lacks a lot of damage to end him
I'll get on getting Yondu ( power suppression really?!)
SW her Dupe or she hits too soft (and only her crits Null last
GR doesn't drain fast enough and I've actually tried that and found out the AI can get out of block and use L3 while it's flickering between the Gain and the drain (L1 is a 1 off and has shaky ability accuracy against HEROES) L3 is also 3x harder to use and also he's in my AQ team
Dormammu also defense
WS is NOT reliable
Rogue (L2 issues)
Psyolcke SHE has reduced ability gains and I physically don't even have her 3*
Loki… is really rare somehow and I'd still need a dupe to strip Hype fast enough
CW (AGAIN L2)
GP: NOT POWERLOCK… ENERVATE only applies to our attacks
HE… used him and couldn't even get an opening to charge L1 which is the MAIN issue
Hype NEEDS a punishment for blocking or have his AI block less
I've played for well over a year but only due to the changes of master EQ getting added and then Glory was I able to get champs to a point where I can compete with stronger alliances and then also have champs to beat masters fully
"ITS NERF OR NOTHING"
All seriousness though Kabam MADE A MISTAKE that benefits only a small amount of people who have him
in war all he ever does is BLOCK and L3
They've never come across the ungodly "PERMA-BLOCK" Hyperion which literally plays more defensively than MORDO
Well i believe the most aggressive AI is in duels...i kept practicing and he became easy for me...i fight him in AQ and AW with no problem, but i don't deny that i sometimes **** up against him like other champs "NC and Mordo"...he's not hard if u know how to make him does sp1 and 2...in all areas
Then how is it that thousands of us deal with him on Nodes in War? In AQ? Even Power Gain in Master? I'm not one to question someone's skill. I will say that Hyperion is not a mistake at all. It's easily dealt with when you figure it out.
People have given you great options but you still seem pretty inexperienced to harder content, you just need to work in baiting an keep dueling Hyperion to get better.
Your coming across as bit of a cry baby cos your not good enough to use the champs to counter Hyperion that everyone else uses to beat him with.
Most "counters" rely on Sp2 or even Sp3 which if you haven't noticed is literally impossible when the discount Superman just floats with his arms crossed… until you try to Heavy and he smacks you around like a rag doll for even trying
The only halfway decent suggestions have been:
N00B
Or
"Yeah man disnantle your AW defense or AQ offense on the odd chance someone gets sick or oversleeps"
I bait his specials… the issue is he stands there just gaining power holding his arms folded like he's pretending to be Quake when a player is trolling heroic
Do you SEE the issue? It's not being unable to bait it's the ass of an AI that knows you're trying to bait and instead says "LMFAO NOPE!"
I'm not out here calling your a noob or anything like that, but I am saying you are assuming your difficulty with Hyperion is the same thing everyone else is experiencing. I don't think he is that hard without a power steal/lock champ. Throw in vision or Magik and he is easy.
If this is ur problem then bring champs that degen r even magik dorm works as well u have options u just don't want to use them so instead u say nerf people have posted countless tips and counters yet u seem to not care about any of that and simply want the champ nerfed so u can have a easier fight that is not what aw is about at this point best advice I can give u is dont do aw if they nerf hype for the reasons u state then u fill find another ai you don't like are another champ that u struggle against and beg them to nerf instead of practice against them
Not in tier one they aren't. Maybe SW if you get lucky on regen or do not get touched at all. She can at least still hit hard. Both are too frail and get killed in 3 hits or less otherwise, so unless you fight perfectly they aren't usable. Anyways point was maybe nerfing offensive champs is why some of the defensive ones seem so OP to some people now. Bottom line don't nerf any more champs. It rarely benefits the player base when that happens. If anything undo previous nerfs.
Yeah Thor is still useful but he wasn't between 12.0 and 12.1 and he is still not as bad ass as he used to be. Main point of my comment was that nerfing champs is never good. This is game of patience, if you don't have all the dominant champs, don't cry nerf, keep playing until you get them.
And u thought takin Hyperion out on a walk with Hyperion!! Idiot use the S1 and power drain him. Stop ranting for nerfs. its completely useless and irritating all the time
Ok guys its decided!! Its nothing not nerf!!
I have champs but if I take them off Defense then the enemy has a MUCH easier time as they have to deal with much weaker defenders as both Magik and Dorm are very painful to attack. As for Voodoo/GR (aside from their power drain being L2 which is insanely hard to use vs Hype and GR's being tied to L2 THEN to his L3) is that both of them are constantly in AQ in an AQ focussed alliance.
Now I can bait him in Event Quest and Duels but his WAR AI feels dramatically different and often times refuses to bait which renders any skill or practice utterly useless…
and a more aggressive AI would benefit both defense and attack:
Attackers would be able to bait and drain more often but they'd also have to be more careful as Hyperion would not be forgiven to ANY mistake you make!
AI like Spidey, NC and Mordo are arguably bad as Spidey and NC have the advantage of split second Computer input with Evade and Mordo plays SUPER defensive!
However Spidey and NC are both aggressive which allows plenty of parry potential and Mordo plays overly defensive at first but after a little exploiting it he will act more aggressive.
From my experience: Hyperion seems to have odd quirks that don't add up as only when getting beat up does he act super aggressive and when taking a defensive role Hyperion will form an iron defense of blocking and punishing Heavies with combos and even chaining specials. This seems to make the first few seconds the deciding factor in whether he'll be easy to bait or if he's gonna be a total troll
Would a more aggressive and punishing AI actually be a bad thing? Making him more inclined to attack and punish defensive behavior (instead of mimicking it) would actually make him a more consistent fight but also Force WAY more caution as once he gets you close to a corner you'll be hard pressed to get out again…
I have champs but if I take them off Defense then the enemy has a MUCH easier time as they have to deal with much weaker defenders as both Magik and Dorm are very painful to attack. As for Voodoo/GR (aside from their power drain being L2 which is insanely hard to use vs Hype and GR's being tied to L2 THEN to his L3) is that both of them are constantly in AQ in an AQ focussed alliance.
This would be something to discuss with ur ally maby ur not at the point u think u are and need to let someone else who has the roster handle him it is an alliance event not everone can be expected to be boss killers
Now I can bait him in Event Quest and Duels but his WAR AI feels dramatically different and often times refuses to bait which renders any skill or practice utterly useless…
His ai in aw is defensive and it makes sense look at his abilitys if they made it a offensive ai then it would be a easy fight
and a more aggressive AI would benefit both defense and attack:
Attackers would be able to bait and drain more often but they'd also have to be more careful as Hyperion would not be forgiven to ANY mistake you make!
AI like Spidey, NC and Mordo are arguably bad as Spidey and NC have the advantage of split second Computer input with Evade and Mordo plays SUPER defensive!
I find spidey and mordo to play extremely agro in aw evade just makes them more annoying for me but I can handle it takes time and practice honestly I'm happy to see mordo and hype at times as long as I play smart i normally can handle and if I can't I know il have someone to back me up
However Spidey and NC are both aggressive which allows plenty of parry potential and Mordo plays overly defensive at first but after a little exploiting it he will act more aggressive.
This would make Hyperion a easy kill if he was popping specials off easy like mordo tends to then it becomes a easy fight non predictable so makes things interesting if u have a hard time taking this champ on in a game mode like aw let someone else hit
From my experience: Hyperion seems to have odd quirks that don't add up as only when getting beat up does he act super aggressive and when taking a defensive role Hyperion will form an iron defense of blocking and punishing Heavies with combos and even chaining specials. This seems to make the first few seconds the deciding factor in whether he'll be easy to bait or if he's gonna be a total troll
Would a more aggressive and punishing AI actually be a bad thing? Making him more inclined to attack and punish defensive behavior (instead of mimicking it) would actually make him a more consistent fight but also Force WAY more caution as once he gets you close to a corner you'll be hard pressed to get out again…[/quote]
It's the principle of the matter when will it end u find hype annoying to fight and instead of practicing expect them to change his ai to suit ur fighting style which is not the point of aw
Then u fight another champ notice ur struggling to fight him and want the same to happen
The ai for every champ shouldn't be agro some champs should play aggressive u shouldn't be going in to this game mode expecting to one shot champs and expecting kabam to make rights easier for you
Finally I have said it quite a few times let someone else hit him if u do not have the champs to spare for him take another lane let someone else hit him this is a alliance event after all