**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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That's most definitely not true. Is three between three and six? In common English settings most people would say no. What is between the black cookie layers of an Oreo cookie? How many houses between your house and the house on the corner? Is that inclusive?
The actual generality is that the word "between" usually includes the end points when what is being discussed is a continuum range. For example, "between three and six o'clock" means any moment in time from three o'clock to six o'clock inclusively. But it usually excludes the end points when what is being discussed is relationships. Four is between three and six because it is to the right of three and the left of six on the number line. Three is not between three and six because that same relationship doesn't exist.
The ambiguity here is that "between three and six" *sounds* like a range on the surface, except we know the only meaningful values are whole numbers. That means that range is actually a tiny set of individual numbers, and now looks less like a continuum and more like a set and "between" seems less like it denotes a range and more like it distinguishes relationships among members of a set.
The word "in" in the phrase "in between" doesn't explicitly denote any English meaning: it is the English equivalent of syntactic sugar.
Actually, it is generally understood that this is an ambiguity of English (and many languages). We board the train in New York. The train runs within the interval between New York and Maine, and it stops in Maine. Is it running in Maine or is it stopping in Maine? The answer is that is not a question with a precise answer in normal English. Especially because "Maine" is a location when talking about the entire map of the United States, but isn't a specific location when talking about something the size of a train.
You are exiting the realm of discussing the semantics of English and entering the realm of discussing the philosophy of Zeno's paradoxes.
“The competition is open to children between six and twelve years of age.”
Then you are incorrect, technically. In colloquial use this might be used, but that does not make it correct. The description in champ abilities should be both correct and unambiguous.
https://www.quora.com/English-Grammar-Does-between-two-numbers-a-and-b-include-a-and-b-themselves
just like the prepostion used to show the value of the noun “prestiant charges”.
What is between the earth and the sun? is it the sun, earth and space?
What is between atoms? is it the atoms?
As has been stated sometimes people have colloquial meanings for words they mean that is generally understood, that does not mean those meanings are correct, and it can lead to ambiguity. Again because this range is only 4 numbers, between is understood, because it it would be silly otherwise, but in your range it would not be and your statement would be ambiguous to the point where it could be [6,12] or (6,12).
Go to any math, programming or English teacher and tell them that, you will get it counted wrong.
Wow, throwing in a authority to persuade without checking the source.
Here's what Cambridge Dictionary actually says:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/between?q=Between
Specifically for this case:
If something is between two amounts, it is greater than the first amount but smaller than the second:
- She weighs between 55 and 60 kilograms.
- The competition is open to children between six and twelve years of age.
- The room was either extremely cold or hot, never anything in between (= in the middle).
Your own example is between examples 1 and 3, under the definition that "it is greater than the first and smaller than the second", meaning not equal to, meaning not inclusive.
But to go with the semantics of your argument if a bus runs bewtween 7am and 9PM you’re screwed if you need to board at 7am and unable to use it at 9 o’clock. Beware folks.
No that’s not how it works. FFS bewteen is commonly used to include the end points. Stores don’t open at 7am and close at 9pm but say thier hours of operation are between 6 and 10.
Not only is that not what I said, but it does more to discredit your command of English than anything I can say.
Just because something is commonly used that way does not make it correct, again literally is commonly used as figuratively:
"I just literally did that"
Those phases used to be "from 7am to 9pm", but between is typically ok here because we do not generally count time in just hours, but in minutes and even seconds, and people do not generally open at 7:01. It is ambiguous, but not unreasonably so.
Clearly not as children ages 6 and 12 are included in the competition. Hell a kid could be 12.999 and still be included yet greater than 12. Pedantry and semantics.
Semantics are the most important part of a conversation, and no, 12.999, nor 6 would be included unless you are using the word outside of the defined meaning, which is, as you stated, commonly done. It does not make it correct, just able to mostly understand.
"Open from 7am to 9pm inclusively" and "Open from 7am to 9pm exclusively" mean literally the same thing in real world terms, since it is impossible for any human being to do anything at exactly 7am or exactly 9pm. You cannot enter or exit a store at exactly 7am.
I’lll referee his one, usage of ad hom, point goes to coat.
Right after your loss of 10 points for continued strawmen?
You can enter a store at exactly 7am, you are just unlikely to, because 7:00:00 is a real time, 6:59:60 is 7am. What you cannot do is open a store at 7 and have someone enter at the same time, in a traditional sense.
Interesting, instead of offering any evidence you resort to powerful and denigrating language. Because you are using 'semantics' in way that shows your disapproval of semantics. Yet semantics is a valid field within linguistics and is at the core of this discussion.
Shows me that your understanding of 'semantics' is about as accurate as your understanding of 'between'.
The hours include 7 but exclude anything after 9 just like ST.
There you go.
These deabtes always remind me of https://youtu.be/N4vf8N6GpdM
You are, again using the word colloquially, not literally. This has already been addressed multiple times. The proper sentence for that would be we are open FROM 7am to 9pm.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, but my 15yo students would pick your points and argumentation apart.
Nothing to understand, it's a rule that can be applied. I have given you 2 sources. Read them.
If these annoying text errors (ultimately it is an error whether people can assume what they mean or not) could be cleaned up and not make it into the live versions that would be nice. It would probably eliminate half of the posts in the forum if they did, but it would still be nice.
Where was I wrong?
P.S. the first sentance was evidence you choose to ignore, likely due to the bias blinding you.
You can't enter a store at exactly 7am, because entering a store is a process, and all real world processes take more than zero time. You can be standing in front of the door at exactly 7am, because standing is (in this context) not a dynamical process.
Technically entry is a process with a start and end time, however short. And if it takes three seconds then if you start *at* 7am you end at 7:00:03. If, however, you start at the earliest possible time that *isn't* 7am because the store excludes 7am from its opening hours, you still end at 7:00:03.
Colloquially, nobody cares what happens at the exact moment of 7am. But the moment someone gets technical, then technically it *still* doesn't matter what happens at the exact moment of 7am.