AQ Map 7 isn't doing a 20x multiplier?

We tried a map 7 & map 3, each fight in map 3 is around 21K, each fight in map 7 is 76K.
The multiplier for map 3 is 2x, map 7 is 20x.

So, why is it we are only getting 76K per fight for map 7? We should be getting way more points per fight if the multiplier is actually 20x like it says for map 7, so, what is the deal?

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Frosty

Agree completely
I came here about to post the same thing
We have bgs running map 6 and 7.
Map 6 x10 multiplier
Map 7 x20 multiplier
Map 6 95k points per fight
Map 7 117k points per fight

Not sure what math system this is but the difference between the 2 maps should be double

SparkAlot

@Kabam Miike can you sort out what is going on with the multiplier, how exactly are points being calculated? Looks like we are missing a good chunk of points here.

Robby199696

A lot of points come from the bosses so that’s where the multiplier comes in

Frosty

Robby199696 wrote: »

A lot of points come from the bosses so that’s where the multiplier comes in

We ran map 7 and 6 for day 1
Map 7 finished with 16.6 million points while map 6 finished with 13.3 million points

Multiplier still seems off from what it should be

Tawli

@Kabam Miike

SparkAlot

Frosty wrote: »

Robby199696 wrote: »

A lot of points come from the bosses so that’s where the multiplier comes in

We ran map 7 and 6 for day 1
Map 7 finished with 16.6 million points while map 6 finished with 13.3 million points

Multiplier still seems off from what it should be

Right, if we break it down with multiplier at 1x, then 13.3 / 10x (map 6) is 1.33M take that multiple it by 20 (for map 7), and that brings it to 26.6M, not the 16.6M that you guys got.

That is a difference of 10M, which is basically another tier for peak milestones.

Kpatrix

Possibly it's just the mini and boss fights that give the big multiplier. Check how many points each boss gives and see how that looks.

SparkAlot

Kpatrix wrote: »

Possibly it's just the mini and boss fights that give the big multiplier. Check how many points each boss gives and see how that looks.

No... as was already stated, the final points total doesn't match up to a 20x multiplier either.

@Kabam Lyra care to fill us in on what the issue is?

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Kabam Miike

Hey All,

Because of factors like Prestige and the actual encounters on the Map, the number are not totally accurate, and as it's described in the Tooltip, it's a relative number.

We are looking at ways to make this more Accurate.

EDIT: I said something about looking into making it fluid, which is actually not possible at this time.

SparkAlot

If the maps are done on the same day, and the Prestige is exactly the same but you are saying the relative number is going to be different?

Map 7 is basically only 24% higher than map 6. (again, both completed same day)
Map 7 works out to be 830K per multiplier, and map 6 works out to be 1330K per multiplier.

So, the question is, how can we compute what the relative number is, so we can ballpark how many points we can get doing different maps if the relative number isn't the same for each multiplier?

Ultra8529

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Because of factors like Prestige and the actual encounters on the Map, the number are not totally accurate, and as it's described in the Tooltip, it's a relative number.

We are looking at ways to make this more Accurate.

EDIT: I said something about looking into making it fluid, which is actually not possible at this time.

Sorry but this is a fudge. The in-game tool-tip says: "The relative increase in points between each Alliance Quest Map, based on the easiest Alliance Quest Map".

Assume Map 1 of AQ (the easiest Alliance Quest Map) gives a points, a "x20.0" indication for Map 7 means that Map 7 gives "a relative increase in points" of 20 times; that means 20a. A "x10.0" indication for Map 6 means that Map 6 gives a "relative increase in points" of 10 times; that means 10a.

20a = 2 x (10a)

Map 7 should be giving double of Map 6's total points. I fail to see how the reference to a "relative" makes it inaccurate. You mention factors like prestige and "actual encounters on the Map", but nowhere is it stated in the tool tip that these are even relevant factors.

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MaatMan

Ultra8529 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Because of factors like Prestige and the actual encounters on the Map, the number are not totally accurate, and as it's described in the Tooltip, it's a relative number.

We are looking at ways to make this more Accurate.

EDIT: I said something about looking into making it fluid, which is actually not possible at this time.

Sorry but this is a fudge. The in-game tool-tip says: "The relative increase in points between each Alliance Quest Map, based on the easiest Alliance Quest Map".

Assume Map 1 of AQ (the easiest Alliance Quest Map) gives a points, a "x20.0" indication for Map 7 means that Map 7 gives "a relative increase in points" of 20 times; that means 20a. A "x10.0" indication for Map 6 means that Map 6 gives a "relative increase in points" of 10 times; that means 10a.

20a = 2 x (10a)

Map 7 should be giving double of Map 6's total points. I fail to see how the reference to a "relative" makes it inaccurate. You mention factors like prestige and "actual encounters on the Map", but nowhere is it stated in the tool tip that these are even relevant factors.

actually it should be more than double yeah?
your prestige is the same.
the multiplier is twice as high.
but the PI of the fights is different.
map6 fight 10000Pi, yielding xxx base points, before the prestige and map multiplier calculation.
map7 fight 12000Pi, yielding xxxx base points, higher than map 6 before the calculations.

SandyUK

As usual in the past I would not wonder if they just change the description instead of fixing the problem.

Zlobber

Why is this even a issue? Map7 was never announced to give twice the points Map6 gives.

“Peak Milestones
Alongside a new Map, more points are sure to arrive. Map 7 awards approximately 25% more Points than Map 6, which means new Peak Milestones are needed! “

So the point geild talked about here 13.3 for map6 vs 16.6 for map7 is spot on the announced intention “aproxemently 25%” more.

Compleating one map7 or one map6 gives you all the info you need to calculate bollpark score for any combination of map6 and map7 tbh.

Ultra8529

Zlobber wrote: »

Why is this even a issue? Map7 was never announced to give twice the points Map6 gives.

“Peak Milestones
Alongside a new Map, more points are sure to arrive. Map 7 awards approximately 25% more Points than Map 6, which means new Peak Milestones are needed! “

So the point geild talked about here 13.3 for map6 vs 16.6 for map7 is spot on the announced intention “aproxemently 25%” more.

Compleating one map7 or one map6 gives you all the info you need to calculate bollpark score for any combination of map6 and map7 tbh.

Because the in-game description is misleading, and to the extent that it is wrong, it is crucial that we bring it to the attention of the game developers to rectify that. This is far from the first instance of misleading or downright mistaken in-game descriptions.

Midknight007

I am not 100% sure, but maybe there is a diminishing return on the multiplier? The multiplier may not directly impact score... example 20x = 20x more points. It could be that the 20x is a multiplier to the prestige as to what bracket of points/difficulty you will be in. As you get higher in brackets, you have a much broader range of base score (assuming 20 x Prestige) in each bracket.

MaatMan

Midknight007 wrote: »

I am not 100% sure, but maybe there is a diminishing return on the multiplier? The multiplier may not directly impact score... example 20x = 20x more points. It could be that the 20x is a multiplier to the prestige as to what bracket of points/difficulty you will be in. As you get higher in brackets, you have a much broader range of base score (assuming 20 x Prestige) in each bracket.

basepoints x prestige x mapmultiplier = xx
(bp x mm) x p = xx
bp x (mm x p) = xx
(bp x p) x mm = xx

all simple maths give the same answer

Frosty

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Because of factors like Prestige and the actual encounters on the Map, the number are not totally accurate, and as it's described in the Tooltip, it's a relative number.

We are looking at ways to make this more Accurate.

EDIT: I said something about looking into making it fluid, which is actually not possible at this time.

This response couldn't be more wrong when it comes to actual math.

BatBatSmash

Mike said "We are looking at ways to make this more accurate". Its either accurate or inaccurate, theres no "more accurate" of an answer to 2+2. If theyre now trying to make it "more accurate" then it was inaccurate to begin with, and unless they didnt check for accuracy before they launched it, they knowingly put out map 7 with inaccurate info, and where Im from they call that lieing

Tawli

Hmm so 25% more than map 6. Maybe we should have a 12.5x multiplier?

Kabam “insert name”: but 20 sounds so cool. Lets write 20x and ”encourage” people to start map 7
(Evil laugh in Skype)

Yes, I’m assuming they use Skype to communicate.

BatBatSmash

....also, making something "more accurate" implies that it will not be 100% accurate when finished. It may also imply that there is no intention of reaching 100% accuracy, or it's already known that 100% accuracy is impossible given what factors they are using. Just saying.

Whiskey_Poet

MaatMan wrote: »

Midknight007 wrote: »

I am not 100% sure, but maybe there is a diminishing return on the multiplier? The multiplier may not directly impact score... example 20x = 20x more points. It could be that the 20x is a multiplier to the prestige as to what bracket of points/difficulty you will be in. As you get higher in brackets, you have a much broader range of base score (assuming 20 x Prestige) in each bracket.

basepoints x prestige x mapmultiplier = xx
(bp x mm) x p = xx
bp x (mm x p) = xx
(bp x p) x mm = xx

all simple maths give the same answer

Not if the PI has already been multiplied by the multiplier and you are already seeing that in the fights. There is nothing to say that someone with 2X the PI will give you 2X the points, from map 6 to map 7, let's say. I don't know that the PI on map 7 is 2X map 6, even, but if that is the case, 2X the PI might give just 25% more points. Still fuzzy and needs clarification, though.

Dark_King888

Zlobber wrote: »

Why is this even a issue? Map7 was never announced to give twice the points Map6 gives.

Because people are fighting 2 or 2.5 times more difficult fights and overall more fights and more time spent to get less points and rewards than the promised in game description which is misleading. Also, the Map 7 crystals turned out to be a bit of a dissappointment to some due to still containing T4B shards.

IsItthough

Dark_King888 wrote: »

Zlobber wrote: »

Why is this even a issue? Map7 was never announced to give twice the points Map6 gives.

Because people are fighting 2 or 2.5 times more difficult fights and overall more fights and more time spent to get less points and rewards than the promised in game description which is misleading. Also, the Map 7 crystals turned out to be a bit of a dissappointment to some due to still containing T4B shards.

Wasn't it stated to reward 25% more points than map 6, I never saw a 20x more points than map 6. That just doesn't even make sense. That would put an alliance who ran one day of map 7 and no other days of any map in front of an alliance that ran map 6 5 days. What you are seeing with the points should be .25x each fight difference.

SparkAlot

Really wish we had a edit button on here... above, I meant 10x -> 20x is double... but, anyway...

IsItthough wrote: »

Wasn't it stated to reward 25% more points than map 6, I never saw a 20x more points than map 6. That just doesn't even make sense. That would put an alliance who ran one day of map 7 and no other days of any map in front of an alliance that ran map 6 5 days. What you are seeing with the points should be .25x each fight difference.

Lots of people don't read forums, so, the problem here is when you select the map, it shows 20x multiplier for map 7, 10x for map 6 and so on.

Nothing there says that actually playing map 7 over map 6 will only result in 25% more points, and not double (20x vs 10x), so, if you didn't read the forum message about that 25%, how were you supposed to know?

That is why it needs to be much more clear on what is going on, there are lots of alliances that thought they were going to rocket up the peak milestones if they attempt to do map 7, even if they didn't finish it, only to find out that the points they got wasn't even in the ballpark of double the points of map 6.

BomberMan

Frosty wrote: »

This response couldn't be more wrong when it comes to actual math.

100% accurate what you said. Actual math and kabam math are 2 different things.

Bianco

Explain that kabam, multiplier x10, x20??? LoL, it’s not even yours +25% points in map7 vs map6. Each map take down one node.

Maciekpaku

One node on map 1/ map6/ map7.