Early Look: New Alliance Wars Maps - Discussion Thread

Hey Everybody!

We've got another Early Look for you all! This time, we're introducing brand new Maps for all Tiers of Alliance Wars!

We recently ran a Beta for Alliance Wars that featured a number of different Updates to the Mode, and our Beta Players offered us a wealth of feedback. We’ve parsed the data and feedback that we collected, and want to give you all a glimpse into our plans moving forward.

In our Beta, we updated the map and also introduced a new feature called “Defense Tactics”. The Map update introduced a new layout and new Buffs, while Defense Tactics allowed Alliance Leadership to choose a Global Buff to apply to the Map, which allows for Defenses to be more customizable and setup in a more meaningful way.

The feedback we received was that these two major changes together were quite jarring, and that it was too much all at once. We agree with this sentiment so we have decided to stagger the release of the Map update and the release of Defense Tactics (currently scheduled for Season 11).

Read all about the upcoming map changes in the Early Look here!

Comments

TheVyrus

Why is it so hard to understand. If they bump the rewards in season 10, everyone will complain they want more in eleven when the true difficulty increase comes down. They are only doing it once so they wait until the full implementation of the most difficult version is here.

Sighsohard

Being 100% honest it simply feels like you’re using us, the player, to participate in a forced beta “season” for your new map.

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Buttehrs

Why is it so hard to understand. If they bump the rewards in season 10, everyone will complain they want more in eleven when the true difficulty increase comes down. They are only doing it once so they wait until the full implementation of the most difficult version is here.

Theres nothig wrong to an icrease in rewards 2 seasons in a row. According to players at least. Its kabam who think its taboo to bump rewards. Like ever lol.

Tasty_Yum_Yums

So a little background on Season 11 Rewards Update:

We discussed the Reward Changes quite a bit, and the decision was made to hold back the Rewards update until Season 11, because we want that update to coincide with the addition of Defence Tactics.

While the Maps are new, and getting used to something new is never without Challenge, there isn't really an intended bump to difficulty with this Map update. There are more "mini-bosses", but not all of them have strong Buffs on them (nodes 15, 18, 20, 37, 41, 43, 44, 46, 47 don't have the big boosts found on other mini-boss nodes), and you will no longer be on your own to take them down.

Defence Tactics is the biggest update we've made to Alliance Wars since Seasons were introduced, and while we wanted to have them live for Season 10, the feedback we received that it was soon, and we needed to get these Maps out to everybody first.

Why not increase rewards for season 10 and for season 11 let us decide if those rewards are worth dealing with the increased difficulty? That way we will have had ample time to digest all of the changes just like you’ve stated your intent is.

How many minibosses are we at? A miniboss 1 out of every 4 fights is rubbish. We have 2 minibosses in AQ....

Hulk_77

I'm not upset about it, I'm just trying to give feedback that:

A) I spend money on this game

I'm not spending a cent on AW currently
C) increasing difficulty without touching rewards will not change B
D) I used to spend money on potions when the rewards mattered

Do with that what you will. I strongly doubt I'm alone in thinking this either

RogerRabs

Why is it so hard to understand. If they bump the rewards in season 10, everyone will complain they want more in eleven when the true difficulty increase comes down. They are only doing it once so they wait until the full implementation of the most difficult version is here.

And what exactly is stopping them from increasing the rewards twice? There's also no guarantee Defense Tactics ever get implemented. They were a DISASTER in the Beta.

raziel

Early look is great, but not buffing the rewards with season 10 isn't...
AW has been terrible for a while now and people just stopped caring. New map is not going to solve it unless a substantial buff to the payoff happens. The effort put in aw, the stress associated and the toxicity seasons brought don't seem to addressed at all.

Worknprogress

I was already done with war in my mind before I tried the beta out. After one run through of the map, I knew I was done with war for good. I really don't care what they do with the rewards at this point.

Fantasy_91

Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

Greywarden

Is the matchmaking algorithm being fixed? Out of this season's 9 matches so far my group has matched 7 out of the top 10.......yet I constantly see videos from the top allies playing groups WAYYYYY below them in terms of roster strength and skill.

Kabam Miike

Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.

LilMaddogHT

So what’s the point of Scouter Lens if you’re going to hide all information except for 5 champs and show the rest? Will Scouter Lens even reveal any of the hidden champs? Either way, seems like you all severely or completely diminished the value of that mastery....

"There will only be 5 hidden nodes on the Map, so this is where you’ll want to place your most surprising Defenders! These Hidden Nodes will hide all Defender Information, including Class and Champion Rating!

I'm really interested in getting an answer on this. While only one lane, will the attacker running that lane still be able to use the Scouter Lens mastery to see/identify the details of the defenders? @Kabam Miike

RogerRabs

Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.

Seriously have you guys even had discussions about changing the potion system?

hungryhungrybbq

I for one, am not stating that the difficulty of the mode has been increased. I can't say that it has without playing it. I mean, it will take major effort reorganizing the battle groups and paths both offensively and defensively (as any map/node change would), but it could be less difficult for all I know.
I'm reserving all judgement on the new layout until I play it. However, my point is that the rewards are grossly outdated and have been for several seasons regardless of any proposed changes to the mode. We (my alliance) decided to just put up with it for one more season because we thought for sure the rewards would be updated for season 10. Now we are told we are supposed to drag through another season with poor rewards. I'm sorry, it's too much. I love this game, but I am totally surprised by this and disappointed.
Perhaps it would have been better to at least update the rewards partially in the interim (for season10) with an announcement of a full rewards update to come in season 11?

Kabam Miike

So what’s the point of Scouter Lens if you’re going to hide all information except for 5 champs and show the rest? Will Scouter Lens even reveal any of the hidden champs? Either way, seems like you all severely or completely diminished the value of that mastery....

"There will only be 5 hidden nodes on the Map, so this is where you’ll want to place your most surprising Defenders! These Hidden Nodes will hide all Defender Information, including Class and Champion Rating!
I'm really interested in getting an answer on this. While only one lane, will the attacker running that lane still be able to use the Scouter Lens mastery to see/identify the details of the defenders? @Kabam Miike

Yes! The Scouter Lens Mastery should still work on those Hidden Nodes!

Mr_Platypus

So what’s the point of Scouter Lens if you’re going to hide all information except for 5 champs and show the rest? Will Scouter Lens even reveal any of the hidden champs? Either way, seems like you all severely or completely diminished the value of that mastery....

"There will only be 5 hidden nodes on the Map, so this is where you’ll want to place your most surprising Defenders! These Hidden Nodes will hide all Defender Information, including Class and Champion Rating!
I'm really interested in getting an answer on this. While only one lane, will the attacker running that lane still be able to use the Scouter Lens mastery to see/identify the details of the defenders? @Kabam Miike

Yes! The Scouter Lens Mastery should still work on those Hidden Nodes!

Should?

GroundedWisdom

In any case, back to the topic. If I could add one point that I know people have expressed, is there any chance the Win and Loss Crystals have been revisited?

Fantasy_91

Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.

But while we wont get Defense Tactics, we still have to wait for updated rewards just the same. Makes no sense at all.

LibertyPrimeV1

What abo

Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.

Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.

Kabam Miike

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

GroundedWisdom

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.

How do you think increasing Rewards in one area and not the other would go over? Lol.

Kabam Miike

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.

Alliance Wars Season Rewards are not directly related to which Tier you are in, but where you place. It wouldn't be possible for us to target a rewards Update at only Alliances in Lower Tiers.

V1PER1987

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

Wow. And this season isn’t supposed to be any harder? Right...

LeNoirFaineant

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

New nodes, new map, more mini bosses but the difficulty will remain about the same? Makes sense lol

Rasilover

No reward buff?
Welp back to AQ lol

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LibertyPrimeV1

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.
Alliance Wars Season Rewards are not directly related to which Tier you are in, but where you place. It wouldn't be possible for us to target a rewards Update at only Alliances in Lower Tiers.

Wait so it's only Season Rewards that are being upgraded? Why?

LibertyPrimeV1

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.
How do you think increasing Rewards in one area and not the other would go over? Lol.

1 I never said only increase the rewards in one area and 2 I didn't know they meant only Season Rewards.

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