Early Look: New Alliance Wars Maps - Discussion Thread

Hey Everybody!

We've got another Early Look for you all! This time, we're introducing brand new Maps for all Tiers of Alliance Wars!

We recently ran a Beta for Alliance Wars that featured a number of different Updates to the Mode, and our Beta Players offered us a wealth of feedback. We’ve parsed the data and feedback that we collected, and want to give you all a glimpse into our plans moving forward.

In our Beta, we updated the map and also introduced a new feature called “Defense Tactics”. The Map update introduced a new layout and new Buffs, while Defense Tactics allowed Alliance Leadership to choose a Global Buff to apply to the Map, which allows for Defenses to be more customizable and setup in a more meaningful way.

The feedback we received was that these two major changes together were quite jarring, and that it was too much all at once. We agree with this sentiment so we have decided to stagger the release of the Map update and the release of Defense Tactics (currently scheduled for Season 11).

Read all about the upcoming map changes in the Early Look here!

Comments

jnikolas92

could we at least get confirmation that all the bugs being talked about in the bugs and issues section will be resolved by the time season 10 rolls out? we've been left hanging in the dark for a few weeks now regarding crucial gameplay bugs.
@Kabam Miike

GroundedWisdom

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.
How do you think increasing Rewards in one area and not the other would go over? Lol.
1 I never said only increase the rewards in one area and 2 I didn't know they meant only Season Rewards.

You asked why they weren't increasing the Rewards in the Tiers not affected. I was just pointing out that it's done all at once.

Fantasy_91

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.
Alliance Wars Season Rewards are not directly related to which Tier you are in, but where you place. It wouldn't be possible for us to target a rewards Update at only Alliances in Lower Tiers.

Your announcement said "rewards" not "season rewards". Many were hoping the individual war rewards based on AW war tier had improved as well. Along with the win or loss crystals. Just more reason not to focus on AW especially during off season except to tank your rating.

simula67

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

One of the pieces of feedback I had during the beta was that it will take alliances a few days to find impossible node/champion combinations. Looking at this list of new nodes, it took me all of a few seconds to find one.

How exactly would someone defeat a Rhino on the Aegis (Intercept) node?

GroundedWisdom

SG....

Rasilover

the Inverted Bleed node is so lame.
how do you defeat void without degening to death? without Corvus or nick?

hurricant

"What about the rewards?
A rewards update is coming, but will coincide with the release of Defense Tactics. "

INCREASE REWARDS FOR INDIVIDUAL WARS PLEASE

LilMaddogHT

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

Greater Confusion node - would the inverted controls on a dup'd emma go back to normal while the rest of the controls while not in the special animations be inverted?... #Trippy

Doomsfist79

First thing I scrolled to was rewards.

So we're changing the maps, nodes, etc, but not rolling out new rewards until Season 11.

Does this make sense?

Season 11 will have the biggest change to Alliance Wars since we rolled out Seasons! Defence Tactics is what we want the rewards update to coincide with.

That's fine and understandable.. but hope Kabam understands why season 10 won't have many people participating.. I'm sure not going to use up items on harder content for the same rewards we've had for the past year..

hurricant

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

One of the pieces of feedback I had during the beta was that it will take alliances a few days to find impossible node/champion combinations. Looking at this list of new nodes, it took me all of a few seconds to find one.

How exactly would someone defeat a Rhino on the Aegis (Intercept) node?

thor ragnarok sig 200 on that node

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RagamugginGunner

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

Glad it's not getting harder!

LibertyPrimeV1

What abo
Beta was held on Expert map. My belief was higher tiers were getting a new map like beginner/normal had a different map. Seems like that wasn't the case and no feedback was requested or received from players in the middle tiers.

So is Defense Tactics going to affect all tiers? Even when you tried to introduce the global node before it was only tried on the top tiers then because they had the roster depth.

We only plan on adding Defense Tactics to Tiers 1-5 at this time (Expert and Challenger Maps), but still wanted to update the Maps for all Tiers.
Wait wait wait... So Defense Tactics are only being added to Tiers 1-5, but you don't want to increase Rewards for Tiers 6 and Below till Defense Tactics are released even though they will not effect those Tiers whatsoever? I... I'm genuinely confused, please explain to me how that makes sense to you.
How do you think increasing Rewards in one area and not the other would go over? Lol.
1 I never said only increase the rewards in one area and 2 I didn't know they meant only Season Rewards.
You asked why they weren't increasing the Rewards in the Tiers not affected. I was just pointing out that it's done all at once.

I know it's all done at once, I was just wondering why they don't increase all the Rewards now then increase them slightly more for the Top 5 Tiers later with the DT Upgrade. But again that's when I though they were talking about the Individual War Rewards, apparently they're only increasing Season Rewards...

Gregdagr8

@Kabam Miike Re: Psychic Thorns. Do you realize now you will have to come up with an enormous list on EVERY CHAMP letting us know which attacks make physical contact and which make non-contact? Modok Heavy, IMIW hits, Dorm hits, Magneto hits, Ebony hits, Domino hits, Venom's tentacles, VTD eggs, Havok hits? ALL special attacks, ALL special three attacks! OMG you guys have no idea what you just did. Let me know when you come up with that comprehensive list lol.
All the people commenting here spend their time here because they love this game. And no offense, we know A LOT more about the fights, nodes, defenders, and gameplay than you do. Hence why Kabam USES the players to work for them for free beta testing. We know the game better than the employees at Kabam. I'd listen to us. You are losing players every day. You keep going down this path of making things harder and not giving back. Sooner or later you will have no one playing this game. It's so sad because this game is amazing.
Don't you find it alarming that only like 9k people voted on which champ to get a buff? Don't you find it alarming that there is a large thread right now talking about how bored people are and quiting? 19 bosses and 21 energy to clear a path? Make AQ and AW harder and keep rewards the same?
Thousands upon thousands of posts have been created on how to make the war game mode better. I never saw one post that said "make the map twice as long, add blank nodes everywhere, add more bosses, add confusing nodes, oh and don't increase rewards". So sad and disappointing.

RogerRabs

Isn't Buffle Toggle just Brawl without the attacker getting the buff?

Because if there's one thing the game needed it's more unstoppable and unblockable!

LilMaddogHT

How exactly would someone defeat a Rhino on the Aegis (Intercept) node?

Blade with Danger Sense (common) should take care of that just fine

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Tasty_Yum_Yums

All these nodes with new buffs isn’t a change in difficulty? I see a decent bit of unstoppable buffs mixed with some inverted controls, sprinkled with some indestructible charges, and a dash of thorns. And it’s not more difficult?

Rewards have not been improved since you’ve launched AW, however you’ve increased the difficulty/nodes multiple times before this pending change. Please explain why you’re introducing yet another increase in difficulty without an increase in rewards at the same time.

VanillaCoke

You guys were so close to a great announcement... until you had mentioned no rewards update 1.5 months from now 🤦🏽‍♂️ You honestly should have brought defense tactic for Season 10 or have a month break and then bring everything out for Season 11

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Amonthir

Can we get a list of which buffs from these new nodes are active and which are passive?
Are the Indestructible charges from Aegis something that can be bypassed via AAR?
I second the need for an exhaustive list of which champ’s attacks do what type of damage (or in game text denoting that).
How long will we get to test the new map before Season 10 is live?

RiderofHell

Seriously 15 bosses???? You freaking kidding me? Bad enough we already had 10 so your next logical step is to add 5 more???

Sorry but this is the last nail of the coffin for me...After this war i am leaving. I stayed on this long bc it was manageable but this is complete overkill not to mention nodes that are annoying stupid.

This early look subject to change **** wont fly we all know you will keep it without taking our feedback bc it wont benefit you in the long run
Count again, it's 18 mini bosses

Oh ya, i was mad bout that yet i said 15 in the first place 😂😂😂😂

RiderofHell

Isn't Buffle Toggle just Brawl without the attacker getting the buff?

Because if there's one thing the game needed it's more unstoppable and unblockable!

I didnt think unstoppable and unblockable would make a full time gig but sadly they are lol

SiriusBreak

First thing I scrolled to was rewards.

So we're changing the maps, nodes, etc, but not rolling out new rewards until Season 11.

Does this make sense?

Season 11 will have the biggest change to Alliance Wars since we rolled out Seasons! Defence Tactics is what we want the rewards update to coincide with.

Typically I have little negative to say but... seriously now? Let me ask this 1 VERY pertinent question in regards to that statement. Do you cater to your customers or your employees? This sounds like it really doesn't cater to your clientele all things considered. I'm sure the mods have been reading the feedback. Do we REALLY have to make another 30 pages of complaints to get you guys to do what makes sense again like when you rolled out the new matchmaking that misfired on attempt 1? By the looks of it, that's what's gonna happen here.

Listen, it's simple. New harder content without incentive is just aggravating to the players. I do like the new layout. I DON'T LIKE the fact I'm gonna be stuck trying to motivate the Alliance I lead in a situation that's CLEARLY gonna be more difficult for no extra gain. If you don't want to go full tilt boogie with the rewards until Season 11 with Defense Tactics, fine. We get it. But 0 boost to the rewards when you've CLEARLY increased the difficulty and in turn, the investment needed... bad idea.

Maybe JUST change the war to war rewards 1st with this iteration. THEN boost the Season rewards with Season 11. That way, keeps players motivated war to war, and still gives them something to look forward too. Seems pretty simple to me. So, for the next week while we run out Season 9, watch this thread explode with complaints with irritated players. Orrrrr... surprise us by listening EARLY and give SOME indication you're at LEAST considering what's being proposed here. I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would be opposed to this concept. Who agrees? Disagree? My advice everyone, don't let this slide. Stay on it.

Mr_Platypus

First thing I scrolled to was rewards.

So we're changing the maps, nodes, etc, but not rolling out new rewards until Season 11.

Does this make sense?

Season 11 will have the biggest change to Alliance Wars since we rolled out Seasons! Defence Tactics is what we want the rewards update to coincide with.
Typically I have little negative to say but... seriously now? Let me ask this 1 VERY pertinent question in regards to that statement. Do you cater to your customers or your employees? This sounds like it really doesn't cater to your clientele all things considered. I'm sure the mods have been reading the feedback. Do we REALLY have to make another 30 pages of complaints to get you guys to do what makes sense again like when you rolled out the new matchmaking that misfired on attempt 1? By the looks of it, that's what's gonna happen here.

Listen, it's simple. New harder content without incentive is just aggravating to the players. I do like the new layout. I DON'T LIKE the fact I'm gonna be stuck trying to motivate the Alliance I lead in a situation that's CLEARLY gonna be more difficult for no extra gain. If you don't want to go full tilt boogie with the rewards until Season 11 with Defense Tactics, fine. We get it. But 0 boost to the rewards when you've CLEARLY increased the difficulty and in turn, the investment needed... bad idea.

Maybe JUST change the war to war rewards 1st with this iteration. THEN boost the Season rewards with Season 11. That way, keeps players motivated war to war, and still gives them something to look forward too. Seems pretty simple to me. So, for the next week while we run out Season 9, watch this thread explode with complaints with irritated players. Orrrrr... surprise us by listening EARLY and give SOME indication you're at LEAST considering what's being proposed here. I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would be opposed to this concept. Who agrees? Disagree? My advice everyone, don't let this slide. Stay on it.

Shhhh that idea makes too much sense!
It’s not like beta feedback was that the new map/nodes had broken node/champ combinations (seems some are still very dodgy) and that it was too difficult without a reward update alongside it.

DrBruceWayne

Well, as a mid tier player on Tier 4 AW, this decision is horrible. The cost of running AW is high enough as it is (my glory goes to pots mostly) and you just decided "Hey, let's make the map harder without an increase in rewards/change in any potion mechanics" Do you guys even play your own game?

Mr_Platypus

Hey everybody,

To answer those questions on what these new Buffs are, we've just added a new Chart to the Original Post that includes a description of each of them. You can also see it here:

With the “buff toggle” cooldown between unblockable/unstoppable start after the active buff expires or immediately?

SiriusBreak

First thing I scrolled to was rewards.

So we're changing the maps, nodes, etc, but not rolling out new rewards until Season 11.

Does this make sense?

Season 11 will have the biggest change to Alliance Wars since we rolled out Seasons! Defence Tactics is what we want the rewards update to coincide with.
Typically I have little negative to say but... seriously now? Let me ask this 1 VERY pertinent question in regards to that statement. Do you cater to your customers or your employees? This sounds like it really doesn't cater to your clientele all things considered. I'm sure the mods have been reading the feedback. Do we REALLY have to make another 30 pages of complaints to get you guys to do what makes sense again like when you rolled out the new matchmaking that misfired on attempt 1? By the looks of it, that's what's gonna happen here.

Listen, it's simple. New harder content without incentive is just aggravating to the players. I do like the new layout. I DON'T LIKE the fact I'm gonna be stuck trying to motivate the Alliance I lead in a situation that's CLEARLY gonna be more difficult for no extra gain. If you don't want to go full tilt boogie with the rewards until Season 11 with Defense Tactics, fine. We get it. But 0 boost to the rewards when you've CLEARLY increased the difficulty and in turn, the investment needed... bad idea.

Maybe JUST change the war to war rewards 1st with this iteration. THEN boost the Season rewards with Season 11. That way, keeps players motivated war to war, and still gives them something to look forward too. Seems pretty simple to me. So, for the next week while we run out Season 9, watch this thread explode with complaints with irritated players. Orrrrr... surprise us by listening EARLY and give SOME indication you're at LEAST considering what's being proposed here. I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would be opposed to this concept. Who agrees? Disagree? My advice everyone, don't let this slide. Stay on it.
Shhhh that idea makes too much sense!
It’s not like beta feedback was that the new map/nodes had broken node/champ combinations (seems some are still very dodgy) and that it was too difficult without a reward update alongside it.

I guess I'd be that guy getting chucked out the window for the idea that made sense then eh? Lol

RichardCranium

@Kabam Miike So were basically back to pre 12.0 with all the unavoidable damage. Didnt you guys say you werent gonna go that route ever again? 🤔

I wont personally be participating in war nor trying. No fun in those nodes what soever.