Summoner Sigil - Discussion Thread

Hey Summoners!

We've just announced the introduction of our brand new service, the Summoner Sigil!

The Summoner Sigil is a subscription based service that delivers a number of Bonuses, all for the introductory price of a Star-Lord’s Loot Bag (9.99 USD) every 30 days. Find all the information, and learn about our 7-Day Free Trial for all Summoners (Level 10+), over here!

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IKON

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.

Are you actually arguing that if you buy anything its pay to win, because that's quite simply incorrect.

Thatweirdguy

I've often wished that a subscription of some sort was offered. Unfortunately, this one is not appealing to me. Please consider creating one that can help with RNG. Maybe it will make you eligible for a "no trash champs" crystal. Nonetheless, this is a step in the right direction.

GroundedWisdom

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.

Pay to win? You can also win for free. Spending has been a part of the game as long as I can remember. As long as people can spend, they'll have access to what others don't. That's what they're paying for.
If people are somehow implying that F2P Players won't be able to progress without spending, that will never happen. Ever. All spending does is save time and accelerate progress. There will always be a place for F2P Players in this game. They go to lengths to make sure of it.
However, it's not a game where people who don't spend should have everything those that do have. I don't know where this illusion of closing in on the gap came from, but I have to be "that guy". People who don't spend will not catch up to people who spend regularly, and they definitely won't catch up to people who spend insane amounts like COW. That's just not going to happen. People who have money get more. That's true for the game, and life in general.
What F2P Players CAN do is play for free, grow at their own pace, and still compete in the game. They're never going to be edged out in a way that makes playing obsolete. They just won't be head-to-head with people spending money. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the gap is real with or without this Offer, and what's included here doesn't make a difference for that either way.

Mauled

Every month I pay my £5 subscription to play Oldschool Runescape and enjoy all the members only features the game offers:
Additional skills, 1000s of new and more powerful items, 5x bank space, 5x quests, massive parts of the map. In short, literally thousands, probably nigh on ten thousand hours worth of content for £5/month.

You’re offering me 20% better ratio on a featured 5*, a bit more inventory space and an hour’s worth of arena gold for £10/month.

Just to put it into perspective.

Ronin916

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Are you actually arguing that if you buy anything its pay to win, because that's quite simply incorrect.

Yes because that's the actual definition of a pay to win game. If you're able to spend money to improve your competitive advantage, expand your roster, etc., then it's a pay to win game. That's not to say that you can't play this entire game free to play and compete at the highest levels. The two aren't mutually exclusive. But if you look at your own roster and compare it to the people who have spent thousands or have multiple R2 Sig 200 6*, you can't tell me you're on the same competitive level when it comes to future progression, completion of content, AW, AQ etc. You can make up for that with skill, and compete at the highest levels without ever spending a penny, but you can indeed buy a competitive advantage in this game. Therefore this entire game, by definition, is pay to win

Onmix

Up until now f2p have been able to catch up to those who spends by putting enough time in.
Now they are widening the gap even more.

Don’t like it. One bit.

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mgj0630

@Kabam Miike I actually think this is a pretty cool idea, and would be very interested in it with one particular change.

Your "progression" based rewards are off the mark. More specifically what I mean by that, is that the Black ISO market doesn't truly have materials most Cavaliers would be interested in. To continue the specifics, I feel like it's pretty fair to say that most Cavaliers have a roster of 5* champs they're happy with. Perhaps they're missing one or two elusive champs they'd love to have (for me it's still Ægon), but I suspect most of us are more concerned with 6* champs and ranking 6* champs. Not present in the Sigil is 6* and T5B or T5 class catalysts...not even shards.

Please take this as constructive criticism for the game team, as it's meant to be, because personally, I would subscribe to this with those additions. That said, the offer as it is, just doesn't seem to be that beneficial to those with a Cavalier title.

Thanks!

F1TLYFE

This is going to be a FLOP. Really Kabam ? Really? As if you don't have enough of our money already? Maybe you should worry other things like improving game experience before releasing more of your money hungry offers. At least that's what I think. This is so sad.

LibertyPrimeV1

So they finally give us a ton of things we've asked about for Years! But they're going to lock it behind a Subscription Service, are you *redacted* serious... For the millionth time, "Just because you could, doesn't mean you should . . ."

Now before people start grouping me together with the rest, I completely understand this is Kabam's Main Point of Income and are a For Profit Company. *I have no problem with that*, I even think it's fair for things like the 5 Star Featured Shard Crystal Cost Reduction to be behind a Pay Wall because it's a good value for higher tier players but isn't a massive necessity making it a nice bonus for those that already Spend on the game and want a little extra. What I do have a problem with is locking things behind a Pay Wall that should have been in the Base Game Years Ago, like an Increased Storage Capacity! There is no reason for something that Big, that would effect All Players at Any Level, to be barred unless you pay for a Monthly Subscription Service and is even worse because it's not Permanent!

WarrenCox

I’m disgusted to be honest. All content should be available to everyone and the playing field should be even re: energy capacity, stash expiry etc. If people want to pay for stuff rather then putting in time and effort then let them, but do not create a barrier between those paying and those not. This is a slippery slope. Soon paying players will get access to certain champs, revives and other material the free-to-players don’t. Makes me want to retire. Kabam needs to reconsider going down this path.

SarcasticTaurus

What will happen to items in my inventory that exceed the stash limit after I stop purchasing the Sigil?

Eg, currently I can hold up to 6 T5B. If I get the Sigil it says 25% expansion, so let's say it allows me to hold up to 8 (since 1.25*6 is 7.5).

Next month I do not renew my subscription to Sigil - I have 8 T5B in stash, but the maximum is 6. Do I continue holding on to 8 in my stash, except that I cannot get any more new ones and they go to the overflow? And overtime as I use up my T5B, my max limit falls back down to 6?

Assuming this works the same way for potions, revives etc?

I'm sure the overage will just fall into stash for the start of the 30 day timer for expiration if you don't renew the subscription.

Spidey076

Well you know i was thinking of starting new post to ask my question cuz pretty much most of comment gonna unanswered,but still better then removing another thread.
I would really like to ask kabam why they did not increase those necessary things like energy or inventory.well thats the basic thing in game and now what are you doing is akin to provide someone that basic thing which should be introduced without that offer(i.e. if you would really increase energy or inventory) in exchange for a subscription.black market or new solo quest,these are things you could said was new so i dont care about them but plz atleast not change necessary basic game system to p2w.its simple telling other players that we will not introduced new lvl limit but if you want featured akin to that just subscribe.
Plz if you want to offer anything new and want to make it premium do so but not with basic things.kabam always said whenever someone told how ridiculous is the price of new offer by saying offers are not introducedin remind of every player some like some not,maybw you will like our nxt offer but what offer today was not something which should have been something pay to get.im pretty sure majority of players always ask kabam to increase lvl so that energy,inventory etc size could also grow but kabam never did that.is that why?
Atleast dont bring basic system to the offer section.new solo objective,gold quest or black market can be beneficial to new player who dont have any objection regarding pay up so it does not matter.

Drake2078

Raise the level 60 cap and I would definitely subscribe.

QuikPik

Kabam, you are terrible at marketing. A lot of this outrage goes away if you just give everyone increased capacity and/or reduced energy timers for free. Especially the capacity part, this should've been done a long time ago and not attached to the subscription package.

Thecrusher_9756

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Are you actually arguing that if you buy anything its pay to win, because that's quite simply incorrect.

I don’t think you understand what people are saying. Lots of these are changes that the community has been asking for for years because it’s needed in the game. It’s not just a couple people asking for it, there are numerous threads on increased inventory space and all. For them to introduce it like this makes it very p2w

trcischmutci

This sigil thing will totally wreck the game.I 'm playing this game for 4 years as free to play player and I have over 1M rating,because a spend a lot of time in arenas,but in this case that won't be enought.You have to remove tag Free To Play from Google play/Istores.
As player why would I play mobile game based on RNG,when I can play World Of Warcraft for the same price?

Ronin916

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Pay to win? You can also win for free. Spending has been a part of the game as long as I can remember. As long as people can spend, they'll have access to what others don't. That's what they're paying for.
If people are somehow implying that F2P Players won't be able to progress without spending, that will never happen. Ever. All spending does is save time and accelerate progress. There will always be a place for F2P Players in this game. They go to lengths to make sure of it.
However, it's not a game where people who don't spend should have everything those that do have. I don't know where this illusion of closing in on the gap came from, but I have to be "that guy". People who don't spend will not catch up to people who spend regularly, and they definitely won't catch up to people who spend insane amounts like COW. That's just not going to happen. People who have money get more. That's true for the game, and life in general.
What F2P Players CAN do is play for free, grow at their own pace, and still compete in the game. They're never going to be edged out in a way that makes playing obsolete. They just won't be head-to-head with people spending money. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the gap is real with or without this Offer, and what's included here doesn't make a difference for that either way.

You're absolutely correct. Everything you said confirmed this is a pay to win game. I never said that you cannot play this game, or compete at the highest levels, as a F2P player. This game, by definition, IS a free to play, pay to win game. I don't understand how there's any arguing that

Drake2078

Even better, give us some of the crazy boosts that the A.I. get, spiked armor....ect.

Spidey076

Well my mother tongue is not english so there cpuld be grammatical mistake but thats the gist of it.my only question-
Is that what playerd get after asking kabam to request about lvl up benefits(energy and inventory limit) atleast from couple of years?
Its same as saying "players ask us to do something about it so we introduced improve plan but premium and now you are complaining?"
well i dont really want to pay for something which we are asking for years and is base of system.i would have been shut up like other times when new offer introduces if only those basic things would not have been present like that.(i dont have any complaint regarding anything except benefits which come from lvl up)

GroundedWisdom

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Pay to win? You can also win for free. Spending has been a part of the game as long as I can remember. As long as people can spend, they'll have access to what others don't. That's what they're paying for.
If people are somehow implying that F2P Players won't be able to progress without spending, that will never happen. Ever. All spending does is save time and accelerate progress. There will always be a place for F2P Players in this game. They go to lengths to make sure of it.
However, it's not a game where people who don't spend should have everything those that do have. I don't know where this illusion of closing in on the gap came from, but I have to be "that guy". People who don't spend will not catch up to people who spend regularly, and they definitely won't catch up to people who spend insane amounts like COW. That's just not going to happen. People who have money get more. That's true for the game, and life in general.
What F2P Players CAN do is play for free, grow at their own pace, and still compete in the game. They're never going to be edged out in a way that makes playing obsolete. They just won't be head-to-head with people spending money. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the gap is real with or without this Offer, and what's included here doesn't make a difference for that either way.
You're absolutely correct. Everything you said confirmed this is a pay to win game. I never said that you cannot play this game, or compete at the highest levels, as a F2P player. This game, by definition, IS a free to play, pay to win game. I don't understand how there's any arguing that

I mean, it seems logical when I say it, I just think there's a collective fear of the game taking a turn towards pay-only. That's never going to happen from what I can see, and if so, I'll hang my gloves myself. Luckily, it won't.
The perks in this Offer aren't anything that will make Players who subscribe out of reach in any unreasonable way. I'm just more or less pointing out that trying to compete with people who spend is a chasing game. I can't keep up with someone that has unlimited money to spend. I spend periodically, but the same can be said for people who don't spend compared to those that do. I've said it a long time. Money just saves time. Progress is always possible without spending. Just takes a bit longer.

Eviscerator

*sobs in ftp status*

Dominator0412

This is really stupid. I’m really disappointed in Kabam. Free 2 players can’t do squat with this. And now everyone knows who is free to play and who isn’t. MCOC prime. What a joke

Nick_Caine_32

yeah this is probably one of the worst decisions i've seen in a while from Kabam. No one is arguing the things in it are bad at all, the problem is that they are things the community have been begging for years to be changed in the game. It's not like there haven't been post after post after post on here and reddit and from content creators suggesting quality of life changes like bigger inventory, gold quests and reduced energy timers - so you guys heard those comments clearly, but decided people would be on board for them behind a paywall? That's the solution you came to?

This is so tone deaf. So incredibly tone deaf.

WardenZero

I’m really at a loss for words. This is a cheat code for whales. I am so completely disgusted by this that I’m almost ready to quit this game. I will not be paying for this complete nonsense.

Carmel1

When the community asked in the past:
* to increase the the energy cap \ refresh it faster \ decrease energy cost
* to increase items cap
* to make gold and other resources more available
Kabam always said in return that it will break the balance of the game and this is why they design maps based on the energy cost\cap\refresh.
for extra subscription fee no one care about breaking the balance...
I find it hypocrisy

Vdh2008

Whales? It's $0.33 cents a day, broski.

I’m really at a loss for words. This is a cheat code for whales. I am so completely disgusted by this that I’m almost ready to quit this game. I will not be paying for this complete nonsense.

Maldroit2

This is honestly, the only time I have ever been furious at kabam. 10 dollars a month for improvements we should have gotten last year?!

Mauled

Frankly, most of the things offered here are basic QoL life updates that should have been incrementally rolled out over the past years/months, especially things like capacity as there is now far greater access to higher tier upgrade items than in years gone by.
The 20% experience boost is a red herring, 90% of the market are lv60 anyway, a maximum of 125k gold is a farce - it costs 270k to R3 a 5* champion, let alone the ISO-8 costs. The weekly milestone difference between Uncollected and Cavalier is negligible, ½ a greater solo crystal, 10k gold, minimal ISO and 400 5* shards. I would also argue that the Quest Energy recharge is long overdue with the increasing length of late-game quest lines and a recurring habit to throw in 4 energy/tile quest lines (Class trips).

The only things that look worthy of any money are the 10% discount on carb cores, the ~25% off featured 5* crystals (a nice touch) and the energy reduction, though as said that should already be implemented.

Had this been an additional calendar, more in the region of the January calendar with T2A shards, 5/6* shards, alliance resources I would consider this worthy of interest, but to feature this as some sort of 'premium' account status is pretty poor, as I said in my last post, I get considerably more content for considerably less on other games I play.

If this was all just included in the Star-Lord's loot bag and all other unit offers of higher value I think that this would have gone down considerably better.