She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

This is absolutely terrible. People ranked her for that reason only. She had a unique ability that’s absolutely not op, but of course Kabam has to nerf her...

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Osfan8

Please do take a look at Hyperion's heavy, it's definitely slower to activate than many other champs and if that gets sped up he'd likely be my next r5 5*.

Thanks in advance!

Carames

This. This right here. It's mindblowing that this company hasn't figured out how important this is. The 12.0 fiasco should have been more than an eye-opening moment, but here we are.

Carmel1

Moonknight and Phoenix can’t chain special after combo.
You can check the bug section in the old forum if you want to see how old is this bug
(You broke their ability to chain special while you tried to fix it for other champs)

SCZ

Ahaha. The latest Summoner showdown thread even acknowledges the use of SH in Champion takedown which uses this so call bug.

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Ultimatheory

Wow this comment actually scares me a bit. Do you really think this is true? Because this leads me to believe that the team doesn't understand how the game mechanics have been working for a long time.

Again please really talk this over with the team and try to really understand how this impacts a lot of the players who currently play the game using this mechanic.

Thecrusher_9756

Now this... this was what was needed

jnikolas92

couldn't agree more with this @Kabam Miike
not intended? OK. fair.
the issue is how those who have ranked her up recently (post buff) are left. think if how they feel moving forward right now.
you need to put yourself in the shoes of those who ranked her based on what they saw in discussion, youtube videos...all content thats been found on this forum!!!
with no indication that this was a bug, or not intended its just unfair that rank up resources were burned.
im sure the game team understands how valuable and rare r4 and r5 resources are right now. im genuinely hoping you do right and allow us to move forward with the resources that have now been burned on she hulk.

Ghostspider231

Only a bug when it helps the player base. It’s not like there wasn’t 100 videos on YouTube showing this ability soloing the Champion on 6.2. What? Not enough money is being spent to beat him?

JohnHS

OK. Guys. I am VERY reluctant to call anything a nerf, or to assume that Kabam is just trying to ruin the game, or whatever. For example, the Sym Supreme thing is neither a nerf or a fix. Same goes for a lot of things like that.

But this. This is a load of rubbish. She's had that ability literally for ever. That was one of her defining characteristics. Multiple champs can do that, but she was able to do it most consistently and effectively. Maybe this wasn't "INTENDED" but lots of champs have abilities that are built into their animations. For example, Korg and many others are powerful defenders partially because of their difficult to evade Special attacks. Certain champs are easier to intercept with due to quicker movement. Others have difficulty evading due to their short dash backs. The only reason Venom is intimidating at all is his animations. This was a great interaction. You should've left it alone.

Thank goodness I don't spend on this game, or I'd be really mad. This was her whole thing. She was able to counter some of the most annoying fights around, but certainly wasn't viable everywhere (for example AW or champs with impossible to evade SP1s). But I guess this will increase your sales of health potions ...

Never
Spend
On
This
Game

You will end up losing what you bought.

mfleury

I understand what you are saying but the problem is the way they handle the bugs.

While in some cases like the CM sp2 or the skill mastery they acknowledge about the bug and don't fix it, in this case they never even say it's a bug and than they fix it.

It seems shady to me, to say the least.

mitchy231

If Kabam thinks this change is for the better good of the game, I am fine with that as an answer. Where I continue to struggle with this though is all the people who spent resources on a champ are now SOL.

Picture it like buying a BMW, then a couple months later the dealership randomly taking the engine out of it and putting in a corolla engine. Then to top it off, the dealership then tries to sell you on the idea that even though you "thought" you bought a BMW, it was not our intention to actually sell you what you thought you were getting. And then not allowing you to return or trade in the car you bought. It just does not make any sense.

Aleor

Btw, what's about heavys range? Like one champ, day hype, can heavy counter imiw heavy, but domino can't? And some have heavy that even hype can't counter. Should they all not be able to do so? And then only champs with true strike would work vs imiw, could bring you more money on wars, you know

Gamer

@Kabam Miike somtimes I’m really wish you guys play the game or alest the dev ther try to make the game you guys do not make things esay only hates can’t just put this out and the guy ther use a she hulk rank2 use that method it stil take skil to do so not that it esay all the skil we build you just destroy who next ghost shuld not be meant to counterattacks from phess. Can see that coming in a few mouch just so u guys can change meta. Not fair. Migt as well call the mcoc og skil to get destroyed from kabam dev ikow you only need to bring it to them but this definitely doesn’t sound good how you just saw oh you can kil a stak champion with she hulk was intended but who care as long u hav the skil to do it. Now you guys just ruined it really tierd if all this bs change

JohnHS

Nope. She's always had this ability, even pre-buff. This is a nerf.

Kaspy

I am a little speechless. She hulk as become one of my favorite champs. Taking this away makes her pretty much useless.

As others have said, this is coming from way out of left field with no prior communication or acknowledgment.

I think Kabam needs to restore some good faith in the player base by doing the following.

1) issuing rank down tickets
2) extending the duration of her furies to partially offset the nerf

LilMaddogHT

Thank you for sharing... This really sheds some light on this subject. Kabam even showcases a summoner in their contest tournament using a bug to take down the mighty 6.2 Champion boss...

gp87

You change the abilities of Symbiote sumpreme right? You made it 50% because he is working like that for over a year.

Maybe is time to change the abilities of shehulk.. because is working like that for over 3 years.. make it as one of her abilities.

Right?

JosephPoerio

Ahitlaw

Yep. Rank down tickets for she hulk should be given, too many people ranked her because of this ability

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Aleor

Also I wonder if those who buffed shehulk thought if it was intended. If yes, please put him in charge of the game, cause after buff till now she was beautiful in terms of design. Or if that person reads it, please make another game, deeper and better than mcoc, so I could have a place to leave

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nolcuN

I suggest you better take this "fix" back to drawing board.

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JosephPoerio

So you change Symbiote Supreme’s description, but change She Hulk’s abilities. In both cases hurting the players with absolutely no compensation? The way Kabam does business is disturbing. No other company in the world falsely advertises their products so blatantly. I will no longer be spending my hard earned money here. It’s just too risky, you never know what you’re getting.

GroundedWisdom

No. The Description was wrong. They discussed changing him to match it, and came to the conclusion that it would be too OP.

DrZola

Miike:

I actually think there are distinct differences in the way different champs move—on attack, “high leg kick” champs like Magik have an easier time executing the backdraft intercept. That’s much tougher with other champs who have a different move set. On dash back, some champs have shallower or deeper evade.

Those are two immediate examples related to the cadence of how champs move that come to mind, and there are probably others. This may not be intentional, but it is how the game works for us as players on this end—the moveset and it’s cadence is definitely not universal.

As for champ descriptions, they don’t mention every permutation of the way champs work, and it’s probably unfair of us to ask that they do so because of the thousands of interactions between champs. But every day, players discover something new about champs and their synergies and abilities—that’s part of the fun of the game.

Where those discoveries threaten to exploit the game and make it unfair, it’s reasonable to resolve them. She-Hulk’s heavy hardly counts as an exploit—there’s no endless ability to chain heavies (GwenPool) nor is there ridiculous damage output (Cull). It’s actually a pretty cool ability that can sometimes be very useful.

Ultimately, I dislike the decision because it’s unnecessary for game balance and I think it makes gameplay decisions look arbitrary and capricious to its devoted players. That’s not good for any of us.

Dr. Zola

JohnHS

What a load. I'm not usually one to cry about compensation, but that was her biggest ability. Put her in the top three ROL options, and probably top ten champs. People ranked her up just for that. This is time for compensation.