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Imbalanced Matchup in AW

willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
Hi Kabam, i hope the team can fix this ridiculous algorithm you are using to matchup the opponents.

My alliance is 10mil rating. Opponent is 27mil rating. Are you serious?



Comments

  • HzorHzor Posts: 3 ★
    Same here , something again is wrong
  • willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
    And to add on, if we win, only +35 rating?
    What is this?


  • HzorHzor Posts: 3 ★



  • xNigxNig Posts: 7,245 ★★★★★
    War ratings are similar, so it’s totally fair.

    So it’s either your alliance is in too high a tier, or your opponent’s too low (seems like the former though).
  • willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
    Ok, so you're basically implying that this game is broken.

    A 30mil alliance purposely losing to go to gold3.
    A 10mil alliance playing to their hardest to reach gold3.

    There's tons of alliance in my current war rating that are definitely lesser than 15mil.

    This "fairness" you talk about, just meant the otherwise. Play hard to lose a game, then whats the point in playing?
  • xNigxNig Posts: 7,245 ★★★★★
    willy_kmc said:

    Ok, so you're basically implying that this game is broken.

    A 30mil alliance purposely losing to go to gold3.
    A 10mil alliance playing to their hardest to reach gold3.

    There's tons of alliance in my current war rating that are definitely lesser than 15mil.

    This "fairness" you talk about, just meant the otherwise. Play hard to lose a game, then whats the point in playing?

    It just means your alliance have been benefiting from easier matchups from the start of the Season due to fighting only against alliances that are similar to your prestige, instead of having it war ratings based, as it should (have) be/been.

    Just take the loss and drop to a more manageable war rating.
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Posts: 8,213
    edited April 2020
    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n
  • willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
    This is a loophole that 1 will sooner or later exploit.
    I dont mind taking the loss, but to take the loss with absolutely no chance of winning is bitter.

    Will be good if you can manage to match war eating + alliiance rating.

    "some war will be more difficult than others"
    This aint more difficult, this is simply impossible.


    To xNig, please do not simply assume that my alliance have been fighting easier alliance for previous matches, if you want data, i can give it to you now.
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Posts: 2,106 ★★★★
    The only way to do war rating plus alliance rating/prestige, is leagues based on the latter, with the highest rewards ring fenced for the highest leagues

    You only get promoted to a higher league when your rating/prestige increases to get you there.

    Otherwise, technically an alliance of all 3*s could get to Platinum rewards, if it matches on alliance rating/prestige, not war rating.

    We are silver 2, so no real dog in the race, but it's not fair on the largest alliances, who spend a lot and effectively keep the game running, to only be matched against each other, but for comparatively much smaller alliances, spending far less and fighting much easier opponents, to get better rewards.

    Choose the sport of your choice; football (UK or us), baseball, boxing, cricket, motor racing. You can't have a college team, playing only other colleges, getting the same rewards as the top five global teams in the respective game.
  • willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
    That is precisely why im asking for matchup consideration to take in 2 factors, both alliance rating and war rating.

    All 3*s alliance can win as much as they want, but following the above, how far can they go?

    Lets just say they managed to get platinum rewards, so you're saying they will not open the crystals after the rewards are in? This game does not allow trading, so even if they win 10 times of platinum rewards, is there a point in doing so?

    Right, they can hog the rewards after 10 seasons later and then open them and play in it. 10 seasons total up to almost 250-270days of hogging. Would you do that, just to obtain the 10 sets of rewards?

    Im only asking to play in fair matchups. Not a lot to ask for.

    We play to try to win at every scenario which gives us a chance to do so, not to play to lose at an impossible scenario, thus being helpless.

    Nobody likes feeling helpless.
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Posts: 2,106 ★★★★
    If you can't beat Madrid, Porto, PSG/ Patriots, Green Bay, Giants then you don't deserve top tier prizes.

    You deserve prizes, from the lower leagues. Why should any team, that can't beat a single top team, get better rewards than the top teams, if they never play against them?

    Those top teams, keep this game running, more than anyone. Having a situation where an alliance of all 3*s could theoretically get top rewards, without playing a single top team, is wrong.

    This needed to be rebalanced. This is hopefully, the start of this happening.

    For the sake of the top Alliances feeling like this game is fair and keeping them pay what they do, which allows the rest of us to not pay, it's worth you being rofflestomped for a season.
  • Panchulon21Panchulon21 Posts: 2,605 ★★★★★
    Looks good to me. Same war rating basically
  • willy_kmcwilly_kmc Posts: 60 ★
    Are we getting better rewards than the top tier teams? I'd say no. Even if i beat a single top tier team, im still not getting better rewards than them. Because they simply do not belong here, in the first place. They belong to a higher tier with the better rewards.

    When you're good at something, you move up. That is the essence of a game. You advance, allowing more alliance to subsequently move up as well, then you create more tiers, expanding the game.

    If this process of advancement through fair means cant even be implemented, it is not a game.

    So a powerful team like Madrid can be allowed to stay in a "league" to kick the rest of 19 team's asses without moving up a tier to fight teams of their league?

    Teams move up a tier when they win until the point where they hit a dead-end, but they hit that dead-end within their leagues.

    Is my alliance hitting a dead-end with a team that is within my league? No, apparently not.

    Anyway, thank you for your insights, i will take this loss even though it is bitter.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 20,978 ★★★★★
    willy_kmc said:

    This is a loophole that 1 will sooner or later exploit.
    I dont mind taking the loss, but to take the loss with absolutely no chance of winning is bitter.

    Will be good if you can manage to match war eating + alliiance rating.

    "some war will be more difficult than others"
    This aint more difficult, this is simply impossible.


    To xNig, please do not simply assume that my alliance have been fighting easier alliance for previous matches, if you want data, i can give it to you now.

    You're almost equal in war rating and only running 2 bgs for war. They are obviously not interested in winning. They are probably a retired type AW alliance.
  • BeerDragoonBeerDragoon Posts: 54 ★
    Panchulon21 said:

    Looks good to me. Same war rating basically

    This is exactly it. No reason they should get an easier match up. Both alliances are where they are based on their performance in previous wars.
  • SlotSlot Posts: 4 ★
    Same here. This is not fair. We all confronting opponents who are double in alliance rating.
    Is this matchmaking a fair???
    We opponent
    A.rating 178000000 35400000
    Avg player 550000 800k+
    Prestige 7100 10100

    Is this is fair matchmaking??????????
  • Patchie93Patchie93 Posts: 1,898 ★★★★
    Slot said:

    Same here. This is not fair. We all confronting opponents who are double in alliance rating.
    Is this matchmaking a fair???
    We opponent
    A.rating 178000000 35400000
    Avg player 550000 800k+
    Prestige 7100 10100

    Is this is fair matchmaking??????????

    Whats war rating?
  • AlexZapeAlexZape Posts: 1 ★
    Kabam Miike said:

    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n

    As you may realize, too many people have the same problem. This indicates that it is not normal in the game and are therefore failing in it. It is not possible that only alliances for warrior power are matched without taking into account other factors involved and decisive.
  • SpaddictedSpaddicted Posts: 222 ★★
    AlexZape said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n

    As you may realize, too many people have the same problem. This indicates that it is not normal in the game and are therefore failing in it. It is not possible that only alliances for warrior power are matched without taking into account other factors involved and decisive.
    Too many people - like you - exploited the flawed system and now it gets fixed. Lol. You should be upset. How can you get easy rewards now haha.
  • SpaddictedSpaddicted Posts: 222 ★★
    Patchie93 said:

    Slot said:

    Same here. This is not fair. We all confronting opponents who are double in alliance rating.
    Is this matchmaking a fair???
    We opponent
    A.rating 178000000 35400000
    Avg player 550000 800k+
    Prestige 7100 10100

    Is this is fair matchmaking??????????

    Whats war rating?
    He can't tell you. That's something to hide.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,236 ★★★★★
    Spaddicted said:

    AlexZape said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n

    As you may realize, too many people have the same problem. This indicates that it is not normal in the game and are therefore failing in it. It is not possible that only alliances for warrior power are matched without taking into account other factors involved and decisive.
    Too many people - like you - exploited the flawed system and now it gets fixed. Lol. You should be upset. How can you get easy rewards now haha.
    Exploited how? They Matched their Wars. This is a direct result of Allies exploiting War Rating to begin with. Now people can't accept even Matches because their eyes are on everyone else. War isn't supposed to be a bunch of stronger Allies pecking off weaker ones. That was the problem before Seasons even existed. No issues with the uneven Matches for the Allies slaughtering weaker ones. You call that Rewards fairly earned? I call that a weak Win. The only exploitation happening is Allies Tanking the system so they can gain a minimal advantage from pecking off weaker Allies, and ruining their Season. Ruining War Rating as a reasonable measure of capability in the process. There are two solutions to this. Use Prestige at the beginning of the Season then War Rating only closer to the end, or separate Rewards based on Prestige so that people aren't butt hurt about lower Allies getting higher Rewards. One thing is for sure, there's nothing to be happy about in Matches that Allies literally can't win. That's just being a bully.
  • Roqueter1Roqueter1 Posts: 2 ★
    This happened becuase KENOB. We have the same problem in our aliance. Is just unfare, I demand a compensation, because this happen in a mid season.
  • Chrisco66Chrisco66 Posts: 66 ★
    Fixing wars should be priority instead of more insanely difficult story quest content
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    edited April 2020
    AlexZape said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n

    As you may realize, too many people have the same problem. This indicates that it is not normal in the game and are therefore failing in it. It is not possible that only alliances for warrior power are matched without taking into account other factors involved and decisive.
    No it indicates how long so many alliances have been allowed to continue to move up into war tiers they didn't actually belong in by matching only similar strength alliances regardless of tier.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    Spaddicted said:

    AlexZape said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

    We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season, and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others.n

    As you may realize, too many people have the same problem. This indicates that it is not normal in the game and are therefore failing in it. It is not possible that only alliances for warrior power are matched without taking into account other factors involved and decisive.
    Too many people - like you - exploited the flawed system and now it gets fixed. Lol. You should be upset. How can you get easy rewards now haha.
    Exploited how? They Matched their Wars. This is a direct result of Allies exploiting War Rating to begin with. Now people can't accept even Matches because their eyes are on everyone else. War isn't supposed to be a bunch of stronger Allies pecking off weaker ones. That was the problem before Seasons even existed. No issues with the uneven Matches for the Allies slaughtering weaker ones. You call that Rewards fairly earned? I call that a weak Win. The only exploitation happening is Allies Tanking the system so they can gain a minimal advantage from pecking off weaker Allies, and ruining their Season. Ruining War Rating as a reasonable measure of capability in the process. There are two solutions to this. Use Prestige at the beginning of the Season then War Rating only closer to the end, or separate Rewards based on Prestige so that people aren't butt hurt about lower Allies getting higher Rewards. One thing is for sure, there's nothing to be happy about in Matches that Allies literally can't win. That's just being a bully.
    No one taking war seriously is tanking to a level outside their natural finishing tier. You can't afford the wars with a lower multiplier. Tanking is just the Boogeyman people like to blame for losses. Plus tanking to manipulate war rating is hardly even done anymore, the shells people complain about are for donation drops which is a whole separate issue.
  • Kabam LyraKabam Lyra Posts: 2,936 ★★★
    Please continue any discussion about alliance war matchmaking in the merged discussion thread below.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/193114/alliance-war-matchmaking-unfair-merged-threads#latest
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