Actually this kind of thing is always debatable but I do agreed with OP's point
According to Fandom on Emma's mind control capability:
Telepathic Immunity - In her diamond form Emma becomes immune to telepathic attacks, not even Charles Xavier could penetrate her mind.
Telepathy: Emma has displayed the telepathic standards of broadcasting and receiving thoughts, mind-control, and altering perceptions and memories. It appeared she was an even stronger telepath than Charles Xavier at the time. However, since Xavier has been honing his telepathy over the years, which is now strong enough without the aid of Cerebro, his telepathy is probably superior to Emma Frost’s.
Psionic/Mental Blast: Emma can produce telepathic blasts which can induce pain or knock out a person. Magneto suffered great mental pain from Emma's Psionic Blast, whereas Professor X only showed some level of pain or discomfort when trying to enter Emma's mind.
Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point
Did you watch First Class? She was fully immune when Charles' tried to read her mind while in diamond form, Erik had to strangle her until she switched back to her normal form.
Oh boy... Those movies are by far the worst source material one could use for anything.
It has been stated and shown again and again that mind powers (like emma frost's, professor xavier's, jean grey's, etc.) in the marvel universe can be overpowered by a stronger mind.
So... Why not take some better source material, shall we? In all new all different x-men emma frost exists alongside two clones or copies of herself. Three fully functional albeit young emmas. And they can influence eachothers minds.
Magneto and juggernaut wear special helmets to prevent Xavier from meddling with their minds.
Jean grey is the only champ that comes to my mind that should be immunr really. She's already more powerful than emma, but the pheonix force pushes her mind powers through the roof.
To clear this up: comics > mcoc > x-men movies
Those x-men movies are brand spin offs, not original and canonical marvel content. What happens in the cinematic off brand x-men universe has no bearing on the main marvel multiverse of which the contest of champions is an actual part.
Comic wise, Emma in diamond form is immune to telepathic attacks and also can't use hers. The movie is right
Comic wise how...? Comic wise she has no access to her telepathic abilities, while she's in her diamond form. That also leaves her vulnerable to other (powerful) telepaths.
And her diamond form is a secondary mutation, which doesn't have anything to do with her first/main mutation, making her a omega level telepath, but even hinders her main abilities, since turning into organic diamond completely alters her physiology and even her character to some extend.
There was one occasion pretty much right after she got her secondary mutation, where she was able to still use her telepathic powers while being in her diamond form. I give you that.
But after that it has been made clear that this is actually not possible for her under normal circumstances.
The movie basically only took the core concept of "hot villainous telepath chick that can turn into diamond".
And this is not even about the movie being good or bad. Comic books take years and sometimes even decades to fully flesh out a character's abilities.
Letting her keep her telepathic powers while in diamond form in the movie wasn't a bad choice, but it solely served the purpose of magneto being able to be the bad cop.
But let's face it, the whole scene was ridiculous. Whether she's still telepathic or not, in her diamond form she's more durable than frickin colossus. It's flexible organic diamond. If it's flexible enough to move as if it was standard human tissue, why would it crack and shatter...? Diamonds have structural weak points due to their molecular structure. They're extremely hard, but hit the right spot with a hammer and the whole thing basically crumbles into dust.
She would just need to fall over and hit a stone, table or what have you in a bad spot and she'd be like "well, guess I'm emma dust from now on".
My point stands, the movies are a bad source to discuss characters out of said movies.
Although not a perfect representation of her immunity, you'll notice that older Jean baited Emma to drop her diamond form before possessing her
I mean... What is that supposed to show in the context of our conversation exactly? That looks more like some kind of an astral projection, which both emma and jean are capable of producing/using.
That technique is part of the repertoire of many telepaths/psychics and not just a sorcerer thing.
This could also be interpreted as jean not being able to attack/enter emma's body while it's in diamond form, due to her physiology.
Look, it is clearly stated how emma's telepathic/psychic powers are prohibited by her diamond form. It is shown and stated in many occasions how defending against a telepathic/psychic opponent is just as much of an active ability as attacking someone with telepathic/psychic powers.
Not having access to your telepathic/psychic powers, due to any given reason also leaves you open for attacks of that sort.
I'm definitely open for being corrected, but there needs to be something to chew on. Something that clearly and obviously suggests or at least implies how emma is (not able to perform any telepathic/psychic acts, but is still) able to defend herself against such attacks, while in her diamond form.
Another scan where her telepathic immunity has been referenced
Phew... That really is a tough one. After doing some research I must admit that you're seemingly correct, although this topic is way more controversial than I thought.
Overall emma frost is stated to be "immune to telepathy" in her diamond form. There's no use in denying that.
On the other hand she was affected by telepathy, while in her diamond form, on two occasions, namely once by jean grey and once by professor xavier.
This leaves two options:
1) Emma frost is completely immune to telepathy and the instances in which she wasn't were simply the writers being inconsistent with her character and her abilities. That happens all the time, so it's not far fetched.
2) Emma frost is completely immune to telepathy against anyone who is a weaker telepath than she is. A literal immunity could very well be hyperbolic, because I really don't see her not being affected by abstract beings like galactus.
Same with pheonix force jean grey. She was able to enter emmas mind, while in diamond form. Being inconsistent just to make that happen, while definitely possible, would have been unnesscary since pheonix force jean grey could have just as well forced emma out of her diamond form by restructuring her on a molecular level with her completely over the top telekinesis.
Both options would have the same outcome in this issue. Emma should probably be immune to ther reversed control mechanic in game, as long as she is in her diamond form.
Thank you very much for the nice exchange. Most of the discussions I found online were far from being this nice and civil.
@UmbertoDelRio I think number 2 is correct a bit. Phoenix Jean grey could probably break through
Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point
Did you watch First Class? She was fully immune when Charles' tried to read her mind while in diamond form, Erik had to strangle her until she switched back to her normal form.
Oh boy... Those movies are by far the worst source material one could use for anything.
It has been stated and shown again and again that mind powers (like emma frost's, professor xavier's, jean grey's, etc.) in the marvel universe can be overpowered by a stronger mind.
So... Why not take some better source material, shall we? In all new all different x-men emma frost exists alongside two clones or copies of herself. Three fully functional albeit young emmas. And they can influence eachothers minds.
Magneto and juggernaut wear special helmets to prevent Xavier from meddling with their minds.
Jean grey is the only champ that comes to my mind that should be immunr really. She's already more powerful than emma, but the pheonix force pushes her mind powers through the roof.
To clear this up: comics > mcoc > x-men movies
Those x-men movies are brand spin offs, not original and canonical marvel content. What happens in the cinematic off brand x-men universe has no bearing on the main marvel multiverse of which the contest of champions is an actual part.
Comic wise, Emma in diamond form is immune to telepathic attacks and also can't use hers. The movie is right
Comic wise how...? Comic wise she has no access to her telepathic abilities, while she's in her diamond form. That also leaves her vulnerable to other (powerful) telepaths.
And her diamond form is a secondary mutation, which doesn't have anything to do with her first/main mutation, making her a omega level telepath, but even hinders her main abilities, since turning into organic diamond completely alters her physiology and even her character to some extend.
There was one occasion pretty much right after she got her secondary mutation, where she was able to still use her telepathic powers while being in her diamond form. I give you that.
But after that it has been made clear that this is actually not possible for her under normal circumstances.
The movie basically only took the core concept of "hot villainous telepath chick that can turn into diamond".
And this is not even about the movie being good or bad. Comic books take years and sometimes even decades to fully flesh out a character's abilities.
Letting her keep her telepathic powers while in diamond form in the movie wasn't a bad choice, but it solely served the purpose of magneto being able to be the bad cop.
But let's face it, the whole scene was ridiculous. Whether she's still telepathic or not, in her diamond form she's more durable than frickin colossus. It's flexible organic diamond. If it's flexible enough to move as if it was standard human tissue, why would it crack and shatter...? Diamonds have structural weak points due to their molecular structure. They're extremely hard, but hit the right spot with a hammer and the whole thing basically crumbles into dust.
She would just need to fall over and hit a stone, table or what have you in a bad spot and she'd be like "well, guess I'm emma dust from now on".
My point stands, the movies are a bad source to discuss characters out of said movies.
Although not a perfect representation of her immunity, you'll notice that older Jean baited Emma to drop her diamond form before possessing her
I mean... What is that supposed to show in the context of our conversation exactly? That looks more like some kind of an astral projection, which both emma and jean are capable of producing/using.
That technique is part of the repertoire of many telepaths/psychics and not just a sorcerer thing.
This could also be interpreted as jean not being able to attack/enter emma's body while it's in diamond form, due to her physiology.
Look, it is clearly stated how emma's telepathic/psychic powers are prohibited by her diamond form. It is shown and stated in many occasions how defending against a telepathic/psychic opponent is just as much of an active ability as attacking someone with telepathic/psychic powers.
Not having access to your telepathic/psychic powers, due to any given reason also leaves you open for attacks of that sort.
I'm definitely open for being corrected, but there needs to be something to chew on. Something that clearly and obviously suggests or at least implies how emma is (not able to perform any telepathic/psychic acts, but is still) able to defend herself against such attacks, while in her diamond form.
Another scan where her telepathic immunity has been referenced
Phew... That really is a tough one. After doing some research I must admit that you're seemingly correct, although this topic is way more controversial than I thought.
Overall emma frost is stated to be "immune to telepathy" in her diamond form. There's no use in denying that.
On the other hand she was affected by telepathy, while in her diamond form, on two occasions, namely once by jean grey and once by professor xavier.
This leaves two options:
1) Emma frost is completely immune to telepathy and the instances in which she wasn't were simply the writers being inconsistent with her character and her abilities. That happens all the time, so it's not far fetched.
2) Emma frost is completely immune to telepathy against anyone who is a weaker telepath than she is. A literal immunity could very well be hyperbolic, because I really don't see her not being affected by abstract beings like galactus.
Same with pheonix force jean grey. She was able to enter emmas mind, while in diamond form. Being inconsistent just to make that happen, while definitely possible, would have been unnesscary since pheonix force jean grey could have just as well forced emma out of her diamond form by restructuring her on a molecular level with her completely over the top telekinesis.
Both options would have the same outcome in this issue. Emma should probably be immune to ther reversed control mechanic in game, as long as she is in her diamond form.
Thank you very much for the nice exchange. Most of the discussions I found online were far from being this nice and civil.
@UmbertoDelRio I think number 2 is correct a bit. Phoenix Jean grey could probably break through
@Jh_Dez Power scaling in comics follows its own logic. Even emma being literally completely immune to telepathy in her diamond form it still wouldn't exclude all those abstract beings and ridiculously powerful powerhouses from pulling it of.
Establishing emmas resistances as that, whether it's hyperbolic from the author or the characters in the comic, is a great setup to show how absolutely out of this world jean grey is.
OK though, shouldn't robots be immune to reverse controls? Their "mind" is literally just an A.I. stored in microchips.
Not only does it make sense from a logical perspective, but a gameplay perspective as well. All robots come from the Tech class, and as we know, Techs have a class advantage over Mutants. So it's reasonable to make robots immune to reverse controls.
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According to Fandom on Emma's mind control capability:
Telepathic Immunity - In her diamond form Emma becomes immune to telepathic attacks, not even Charles Xavier could penetrate her mind.
Telepathy: Emma has displayed the telepathic standards of broadcasting and receiving thoughts, mind-control, and altering perceptions and memories. It appeared she was an even stronger telepath than Charles Xavier at the time. However, since Xavier has been honing his telepathy over the years, which is now strong enough without the aid of Cerebro, his telepathy is probably superior to Emma Frost’s.
Psionic/Mental Blast: Emma can produce telepathic blasts which can induce pain or knock out a person. Magneto suffered great mental pain from Emma's Psionic Blast, whereas Professor X only showed some level of pain or discomfort when trying to enter Emma's mind.
@UmbertoDelRio I think number 2 is correct a bit. Phoenix Jean grey could probably break through
Out of this world
@UmbertoDelRio that's Emma on the floor
Not only does it make sense from a logical perspective, but a gameplay perspective as well. All robots come from the Tech class, and as we know, Techs have a class advantage over Mutants. So it's reasonable to make robots immune to reverse controls.
Night Thrasher is one of those characters, in comic lore