Should the Black Order be Villains

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Member Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Well being a villain doesn’t directly affect simply blade as certain nodes benefit villains
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    It IS a question of opinion. It's a game, not a Historical Archive. It's the same as the discussions like, "X Champ should have Y Abilities.". I don't have to get anything into my head. I don't agree with your opinion. They're not villain protagonists that are central to the plot. That is Thanos. Their only role is to carry out his orders. I just don't agree with your opinion, so I don't have to understand anything. Sorry.
  • ClydaniaClydania Member Posts: 440 ★★
    Yes
    Nah why would you think that? They seem pretty ethically sound...
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    edited June 2019
    They should stay mercenaries
    Tagging started with Blade. They are
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    Any of us that drives a car, goes above the speed limit. We are all Villains.
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  • Kobster84Kobster84 Member Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★

    Tagging started with Blade. They are

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    Any of us that drives a car, goes above the speed limit. We are all Villains.
    Tagging didn’t start with blade it actually started with nodes like tyranny
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    It IS a question of opinion. It's a game, not a Historical Archive. It's the same as the discussions like, "X Champ should have Y Abilities.". I don't have to get anything into my head. I don't agree with your opinion. They're not villain protagonists that are central to the plot. That is Thanos. Their only role is to carry out his orders. I just don't agree with your opinion, so I don't have to understand anything. Sorry.
    My opinion is based on facts.
    Every single of the definitions I gave you explains that the BO should have the villain tag. You´re saying that they shouldn´t have it because Thanos stands above them as their Boss? Okay, then remove the villain tag from Mister Sinister as he acts as Apocalypses henchman (Which is even explained in the game itself). Remove the Hero tag from Sparky because he acts under Iron Mans supervision. Try telling people that Loki wasn´t a villain in Avengers 1. Don´t you want to see that your point makes no sense? Again: Some of the best dictionaries in the world back my points up, while you´re only saying "No, because they shouldn´t be". But I know how you work. You never say that Kabam makes mistakes, so I don´t expect you to accept this.
    Ah, yes. When all else fails, use the "You never go against Kabam." rebuttal.
    No one's opinion is more fact than anyone else's here. You can say it's fact, you can say it's based on fact, so can I. Ultimately, no person's opinion can be considered absolute fact. That's what makes them opinions. Bottom line is, I disagree that they're the Villains, and I disagree that they should be Tagged as such. Call it what yiu want, my view isn't going to change whether you throw definitions at me or not.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    They should stay mercenaries
    Kobster84 said:

    Tagging started with Blade. They are

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    Any of us that drives a car, goes above the speed limit. We are all Villains.
    Tagging didn’t start with blade it actually started with nodes like tyranny
    Yeah I didn't mean to post that. Thought I had it erased. Must of saved as a draft.
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  • TehsigzorzTehsigzorz Member Posts: 1,233 ★★★★
    Yes
    Thanos is a supervillain, hes the big bad boss. Not all villains are big bad bosses, there can be weaker villains. Is capna hero because by your definition he isnt.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    It IS a question of opinion. It's a game, not a Historical Archive. It's the same as the discussions like, "X Champ should have Y Abilities.". I don't have to get anything into my head. I don't agree with your opinion. They're not villain protagonists that are central to the plot. That is Thanos. Their only role is to carry out his orders. I just don't agree with your opinion, so I don't have to understand anything. Sorry.
    My opinion is based on facts.
    Every single of the definitions I gave you explains that the BO should have the villain tag. You´re saying that they shouldn´t have it because Thanos stands above them as their Boss? Okay, then remove the villain tag from Mister Sinister as he acts as Apocalypses henchman (Which is even explained in the game itself). Remove the Hero tag from Sparky because he acts under Iron Mans supervision. Try telling people that Loki wasn´t a villain in Avengers 1. Don´t you want to see that your point makes no sense? Again: Some of the best dictionaries in the world back my points up, while you´re only saying "No, because they shouldn´t be". But I know how you work. You never say that Kabam makes mistakes, so I don´t expect you to accept this.
    Ah, yes. When all else fails, use the "You never go against Kabam." rebuttal.
    No one's opinion is more fact than anyone else's here. You can say it's fact, you can say it's based on fact, so can I. Ultimately, no person's opinion can be considered absolute fact. That's what makes them opinions. Bottom line is, I disagree that they're the Villains, and I disagree that they should be Tagged as such. Call it what yiu want, my view isn't going to change whether you throw definitions at me or not.
    Well, at least I have some facts that back my opinion up unlike you. Plus, I see how you dodge discussions as soon as people come up with similar examples that Kabam handles differently.
    Let me be more specific about Mister Sinister: In the EQ back in February, it was revealed that he did what he´s done to serve his "Master", who is revealed to be Apocalypse. That puts him into exactly the same position as the Black Order, however Mister Sinister has the Villain tag. My question, and don´t talk around it: How do you justify that?
    As per the previous comment, it would appear not only I disagree, but so do Kabam and Marvel. You can continue to state the reasons why you disagree, but I'm not going to change my view, so have at it. They're not Tagged as Villains. That's a fact.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,013 ★★★★★
    Killing people don't make you a villain. What matters are the motives and reasons behind it.
    For the black order, I assume they just follow orders. You can compare them to mercenaries for example.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    It IS a question of opinion. It's a game, not a Historical Archive. It's the same as the discussions like, "X Champ should have Y Abilities.". I don't have to get anything into my head. I don't agree with your opinion. They're not villain protagonists that are central to the plot. That is Thanos. Their only role is to carry out his orders. I just don't agree with your opinion, so I don't have to understand anything. Sorry.
    My opinion is based on facts.
    Every single of the definitions I gave you explains that the BO should have the villain tag. You´re saying that they shouldn´t have it because Thanos stands above them as their Boss? Okay, then remove the villain tag from Mister Sinister as he acts as Apocalypses henchman (Which is even explained in the game itself). Remove the Hero tag from Sparky because he acts under Iron Mans supervision. Try telling people that Loki wasn´t a villain in Avengers 1. Don´t you want to see that your point makes no sense? Again: Some of the best dictionaries in the world back my points up, while you´re only saying "No, because they shouldn´t be". But I know how you work. You never say that Kabam makes mistakes, so I don´t expect you to accept this.
    Ah, yes. When all else fails, use the "You never go against Kabam." rebuttal.
    No one's opinion is more fact than anyone else's here. You can say it's fact, you can say it's based on fact, so can I. Ultimately, no person's opinion can be considered absolute fact. That's what makes them opinions. Bottom line is, I disagree that they're the Villains, and I disagree that they should be Tagged as such. Call it what yiu want, my view isn't going to change whether you throw definitions at me or not.
    Well, at least I have some facts that back my opinion up unlike you. Plus, I see how you dodge discussions as soon as people come up with similar examples that Kabam handles differently.
    Let me be more specific about Mister Sinister: In the EQ back in February, it was revealed that he did what he´s done to serve his "Master", who is revealed to be Apocalypse. That puts him into exactly the same position as the Black Order, however Mister Sinister has the Villain tag. My question, and don´t talk around it: How do you justify that?
    As per the previous comment, it would appear not only I disagree, but so do Kabam and Marvel. You can continue to state the reasons why you disagree, but I'm not going to change my view, so have at it. They're not Tagged as Villains. That's a fact.
    Again, not commenting on the example I gave you which is similar to this discussion. That, dear GW, prooves everything ;)
    If Kabam followed the route you´ve explained, then Mr Sinister would not have the villain tag as well. However, he does. So it´s only logical that either the Black Order or Mr Sinister have a wrong tag. That is explained by your own logic, mate.
    You're commenting on Sinister, which isn't related to this situation at all. What you fail to understand is that they decide, along with Marvel, who is Tagged what. It is by that very standard that it is not wrong. I didn't comment because you're trying to argue one fallacy with another.
  • Marlo_Mike33Marlo_Mike33 Member Posts: 193
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    Listen man. You're right, you really are, but there are 2 characters on here with their head engulfed in flames who can still be "incinerated" for damage. Just take your logic and throw it away
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    So....see things your way, or don't comment? Interesting that you accused me of the same sentiment.
    Let me give you some definitions of the term "villain":
    Cambridge: " a bad person who harms other people or breaks the law"
    Dictionary . com: "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime"
    Collins: "A villain is someone who deliberately harms other people or breaks the law in order to get what he or she wants" (Maw said: "I want what Thanos wants", so he has the same intentions as Thanos)
    Merriam-Webster: "a character in a story or play who opposes the hero"
    Oxford: "a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot"
    And these are some of the worlds best dictionaries. Do you want to tell me that they´re wrong?
    This is not a question of opinion. The members of the Black Order are villains per definiton! I don´t blame Kabam for making mistakes, I just want Kabam to fix them.
    It IS a question of opinion. It's a game, not a Historical Archive. It's the same as the discussions like, "X Champ should have Y Abilities.". I don't have to get anything into my head. I don't agree with your opinion. They're not villain protagonists that are central to the plot. That is Thanos. Their only role is to carry out his orders. I just don't agree with your opinion, so I don't have to understand anything. Sorry.
    My opinion is based on facts.
    Every single of the definitions I gave you explains that the BO should have the villain tag. You´re saying that they shouldn´t have it because Thanos stands above them as their Boss? Okay, then remove the villain tag from Mister Sinister as he acts as Apocalypses henchman (Which is even explained in the game itself). Remove the Hero tag from Sparky because he acts under Iron Mans supervision. Try telling people that Loki wasn´t a villain in Avengers 1. Don´t you want to see that your point makes no sense? Again: Some of the best dictionaries in the world back my points up, while you´re only saying "No, because they shouldn´t be". But I know how you work. You never say that Kabam makes mistakes, so I don´t expect you to accept this.
    Ah, yes. When all else fails, use the "You never go against Kabam." rebuttal.
    No one's opinion is more fact than anyone else's here. You can say it's fact, you can say it's based on fact, so can I. Ultimately, no person's opinion can be considered absolute fact. That's what makes them opinions. Bottom line is, I disagree that they're the Villains, and I disagree that they should be Tagged as such. Call it what yiu want, my view isn't going to change whether you throw definitions at me or not.
    Well, at least I have some facts that back my opinion up unlike you. Plus, I see how you dodge discussions as soon as people come up with similar examples that Kabam handles differently.
    Let me be more specific about Mister Sinister: In the EQ back in February, it was revealed that he did what he´s done to serve his "Master", who is revealed to be Apocalypse. That puts him into exactly the same position as the Black Order, however Mister Sinister has the Villain tag. My question, and don´t talk around it: How do you justify that?
    As per the previous comment, it would appear not only I disagree, but so do Kabam and Marvel. You can continue to state the reasons why you disagree, but I'm not going to change my view, so have at it. They're not Tagged as Villains. That's a fact.
    Again, not commenting on the example I gave you which is similar to this discussion. That, dear GW, prooves everything ;)
    If Kabam followed the route you´ve explained, then Mr Sinister would not have the villain tag as well. However, he does. So it´s only logical that either the Black Order or Mr Sinister have a wrong tag. That is explained by your own logic, mate.
    You're commenting on Sinister, which isn't related to this situation at all. What you fail to understand is that they decide, along with Marvel, who is Tagged what. It is by that very standard that it is not wrong. I didn't comment because you're trying to argue one fallacy with another.
    What you don't understand is that Mister Sinister is in exactly the same situation as the Black Order: A Henchman, or as you've called it, a "drone" of a greater villain who only follows orders. Yet he has the villain tag. Your own logic speaks against you.
    I wasn't talking about Sinister. To the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a major MCU Film to reference him in. What I'm talking about is the Film, which the Champions are mostly based on, and in that, they're not Villains at all. If you would like to know why he is Tagged a Villain, why don't you ask them? The bottom line rests with them, and if they say they're not Villains, then they're not Tagged wrong. You're trying to apply your own logic to their game. I've had the same view since they came out, and that's not going to change.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
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    I never said Kabam is always right. I said I agreed that they're not Villains, and the decision is theirs. You refuse to respect my difference of opinion, and keep persisting on trying to change it. People don't have to see things your way. Simple as that.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    No. You applied my logic to something I wasn't even talking about and haven't registered a view on yet, or even looked at. This is the part where we agree to disgaree.
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  • Marlo_Mike33Marlo_Mike33 Member Posts: 193
    AndiYTDE said:

    AndiYTDE said:

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    The OP themselves specified it was about Blade. You may have your own motivations for debating it, but these Threads come up because of Blade. Otherwise, people wouldn't even notice or care as much.

    Maybe that´s why it matters to OP, but with the tags I believe that it is a system that is used to categorize certain champions, thus the tags should cover what a champion is. I´m having the discussion because I see a system Kabam has implemented and is not using correctly (on purpose?). You don´t seriously want to tell me that I should not be allowed to take part in this discussion because some other people have different motivations than I do...
    Literally not what I said at all. I said these discussions wouldn't likely be taking place if it wasn't for Blade and his Ability. No one said you shouldn't participate. I just don't agree with your opinion. The Villain is Thanos. Not his Black Order. You can agree or disagree. Doesn't matter to me.
    It doesn´t matter why we´re having this discussion, it matters that we´re having this discussion. The Black Order are villains per definition! Get that into your head
    Listen man. You're right, you really are, but there are 2 characters on here with their head engulfed in flames who can still be "incinerated" for damage. Just take your logic and throw it away
    Yeah I know, it just makes me angry when I think things through, think about equal examples, put time into explaining why they should be villains and all that comes back from GW is "No, because Kabam is always right".
    The reason on why GR is not immune to incinerate is at least kind of logical, speaking of the mechanics of the game: Because back then Incinerate didn't exist and GR is already a god tier champ, so Kabam has never updated him. But this is not about technology or game mechanics, this is about simple logic.
    Yeah. To that point tho I'm sure tags were a thing before Blade was intro'd. Anyway the fact is they are villains. I would be surprised if anyone could find any instance of a Black Order member being anything other than evil in Marvel comics so why a Marvel rep would say "yeah they're not villains" especially when they are the villians in their biggest movie in history makes 0 sense but thats what they say and we kind of have to take there word for it.

    Maybe you could argue both sides for Sabertooth or a few others but the whole Black Order are no question villians. The tag thing is to save Blade from having an advantage over 50% of the game, point, blank, period
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    No
    AndiYTDE said:

    No. You applied my logic to something I wasn't even talking about and haven't registered a view on yet, or even looked at. This is the part where we agree to disgaree.

    Then have a look at it now. No matter how you try turning things around, your logic comes down to a point where either Mr Sinister or The BO have a wrong tag.
    I'm not taking a look at anything. I'm done going over it and over it. I'm talking about THIS topic, and I have stated my views. Take what you want from that. I disagree that they're wrong. That's the end of it.
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