RNG system needed to be reworked

LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
Here is my case. After Act 5 exploration I was excited to open rank up gem to only get a gem I can’t use. The same happened after I completed 6.1. A gem I can’t use and I don’t think I can use it in near future. With near future I mean half year or so.

The whole RNG system is bs. You worked your as.s off and spend money to get what? Nothing!!! You collect 10 thousands 5* shards to open a Iron Patriot. 10 thousands 6* to open a Hulkbuster. It can be that forever. We often laugh about it but when it happens everytime, it’s just unacceptable anymore.

My proposal is Kabam must give us choices. For example you open up a rank up gem you can choose between two random gems. Two choices. Not one as now. Same with 5*. Two choice. If we are unlucky at least we can choice which is less useless.

You have to rework RNG system Kabam. In most case it’s cruel. Be more human, feel our pain. We are not cowhale who can spend unlimited amounts of money to buy everything.
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  • SungjSungj Posts: 1,642 ★★★★
    Lol no
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,448 ★★★★
    This entire game is RNG, it always has been. If you don't like it, don't play it.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
    edited June 2019

    This entire game is RNG, it always has been. If you don't like it, don't play it.

    Time to change. Not because it’s always like that it should stay like that.

    And if you can’t understand my idea, you can stay silent.


  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,895 ★★★★★
    So you want to pick and choose feedback along with the RNG? Lol.
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,448 ★★★★
    Lainua said:

    This entire game is RNG, it always has been. If you don't like it, don't play it.

    Time to change. Not because it’s always like that it should stay like that.

    And if you can’t understand my idea, you can stay silent.


    "Your idea" lol. You do understand what you're asking, yes? Even minor suggestions don't get heard around here and you're asking to change the very thing that runs this game?

    You probably pulled something you don't like, everyone has. But you have an equal chance to get something great too. I can agree with you if you had asked to make EQ rewards and stuff non-RNG based. But this is absolute bs.
  • Troy_Elric123Troy_Elric123 Posts: 219
    It does not help how someone gets a 6star domino while some others get a freaking cyclopes . Have some sense. We all put in same amount of work, and should be rewarded equally. You can keep the randomness for featured crystals but the ones that we painstakingly earn and then get absolute trash make us want to question your authenticity and humanity and professionalism. Being loyal customers for years is rewarded with a pie in our faces.
    Highly highly unprofessional and unethical
  • ChadhoganChadhogan Posts: 338 ★★
    The PRNG that's implemented in games is to encourage gambling and it works!
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
    edited June 2019

    Lainua said:

    This entire game is RNG, it always has been. If you don't like it, don't play it.

    Time to change. Not because it’s always like that it should stay like that.

    And if you can’t understand my idea, you can stay silent.


    "Your idea" lol. You do understand what you're asking, yes? Even minor suggestions don't get heard around here and you're asking to change the very thing that runs this game?

    You probably pulled something you don't like, everyone has. But you have an equal chance to get something great too. I can agree with you if you had asked to make EQ rewards and stuff non-RNG based. But this is absolute bs.
    Equal chance for what? Equal chance to be insulted? Do you even understand that RNG only does great job for the company - making them rich - not for players including you and you try to keep that unfair system?

    And do you even know about RNG history? It was made for casino. I play a game not gamble. I can’t accept that time and effort I put in this game all lead to frustration. Do you see the frustration of players base? Why did it happen? And you try to obey like a sheep.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
    edited June 2019
    RNG can stay random as it is, but at least give us more chances to get SOMETHING.

    Not one and only random choice, but two random choices, and I’m fine with it.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 6,962 ★★★★★
    Lainua said:

    RNG can stay RANDOM as it is, but instead of total random, it should give us more choices. Two choices instead of one. Then every problem, all of frustration will be resolved.

    Will it though? So when the 2 choices are Hulkbuster and KK, whos frustration will be reaolved?
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
    edited June 2019

    Lainua said:

    RNG can stay RANDOM as it is, but instead of total random, it should give us more choices. Two choices instead of one. Then every problem, all of frustration will be resolved.

    Will it though? So when the 2 choices are Hulkbuster and KK, whos frustration will be reaolved?
    The chance for two bad choices from one crystal is significantly smaller than one.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 6,962 ★★★★★
    Lainua said:

    Lainua said:

    RNG can stay RANDOM as it is, but instead of total random, it should give us more choices. Two choices instead of one. Then every problem, all of frustration will be resolved.

    Will it though? So when the 2 choices are Hulkbuster and KK, whos frustration will be reaolved?
    The chance for two bad choices from one crystal is significantly smaller than one.
    No its not. Each champ has an equal chance in the crystal to drop. Its entirely possible for it to happen with what you are proposing. When it does, people will still come and complain. Most won't be happy unless you eliminate what the community deems trash from the crystals which is really your whole point anyway.
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,448 ★★★★
    Lainua said:

    Lainua said:

    This entire game is RNG, it always has been. If you don't like it, don't play it.

    Time to change. Not because it’s always like that it should stay like that.

    And if you can’t understand my idea, you can stay silent.


    "Your idea" lol. You do understand what you're asking, yes? Even minor suggestions don't get heard around here and you're asking to change the very thing that runs this game?

    You probably pulled something you don't like, everyone has. But you have an equal chance to get something great too. I can agree with you if you had asked to make EQ rewards and stuff non-RNG based. But this is absolute bs.
    Equal chance for what? Equal chance to be insulted? Do you even understand that RNG only does great job for the company - making them rich - not for players including you and you try to keep that unfair system?

    And do you even know about RNG history? It was made for casino. I play a game not gamble. I can’t accept that time and effort I put in this game all lead to frustration. Do you see the frustration of players base? Why did it happen? And you try to obey like a sheep.
    If you know it's RNG and you think it's gambling, why do you put all that effort and time in this game when you know that it can't guarantee that it'll pay you for all that time and effort?

    I still stand by my statement, there are as many brag posts as there are whine posts like yours. Everything is random.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★
    edited June 2019
    Do you understand the difference between a mobile game and casino? In casino your knowledge and effort do nothing for you. You gamble and fate will decide everything. So anyone step in a casino accept it as a fact.

    It’s different in a mobile game. You got your rewards not by luck or fate but knowledge and effort. It’s totally different. And you accept the same RNG system which is designed and applied in gamble industry? How stupid we are?
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,448 ★★★★
    That's what I'm asking YOU, why are you playing this game if you don't like the concept of RNG? It's not a new concept, RNG's not a new concept.

    I'm not a sheep, I'm against stuff which is actually bad, the new login calendar? I hate it, it needs to be changed. So do the class and rarity gates. Also the Last stand crystals had awful drop rates, this is unfair and I don't follow this.

    Think of it this way, it's like I'm saying 'I don't like playing Ludo because it involves luck, I want it changed so that I throw my die twice and choose the better outcome', that's how stupid this is. If you don't like this concept. DON'T. PLAY.

    @GroundedWisdom no one explains RNG better than you, help me out here.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 1,143 ★★★★
    Stupid is putting time and effort into a game knowing it’s got an rng system that you hate.
    We’d all love to pick who we get from crystals I’m sure, but then everyone ends up with all their favourite/best champs within 2 months and they quit because it’s boring once they’ve beat everything.
    The RNG system is there because it keeps people coming back (for the most part) and keeps the cash flowing, if the company isn’t making profits then they’re not able to keep the game going anyways so everyone loses in that scenario.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★

    That's what I'm asking YOU, why are you playing this game if you don't like the concept of RNG? It's not a new concept, RNG's not a new concept.

    I'm not a sheep, I'm against stuff which is actually bad, the new login calendar? I hate it, it needs to be changed. So do the class and rarity gates. Also the Last stand crystals had awful drop rates, this is unfair and I don't follow this.

    Think of it this way, it's like I'm saying 'I don't like playing Ludo because it involves luck, I want it changed so that I throw my die twice and choose the better outcome', that's how stupid this is. If you don't like this concept. DON'T. PLAY.

    @GroundedWisdom no one explains RNG better than you, help me out here.

    I play this game because I like its animations and characters. The whole thing is beautiful in term of technology and ideas. It’s rare to play a game looks as real and smooth as this one.

    It doesn’t change a fact that the whole designed-to-casino RNG is wrongly applied. It should be applied in a game that doesn’t require skill and effort but luck. You will never see any effort-and-skill- based game that give you total random rewards. Will a soccer team accept random rewards after a long and hard season? No they don’t. Why do we have to accept it while we tried as hard as them?

    I understand that RNG awakens gamble lust inside players and they blindly try harder but it needs to be reworked. I don’t ask for it to be abandoned but reworded. Rework for the better.
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,448 ★★★★
    Lainua said:

    That's what I'm asking YOU, why are you playing this game if you don't like the concept of RNG? It's not a new concept, RNG's not a new concept.

    I'm not a sheep, I'm against stuff which is actually bad, the new login calendar? I hate it, it needs to be changed. So do the class and rarity gates. Also the Last stand crystals had awful drop rates, this is unfair and I don't follow this.

    Think of it this way, it's like I'm saying 'I don't like playing Ludo because it involves luck, I want it changed so that I throw my die twice and choose the better outcome', that's how stupid this is. If you don't like this concept. DON'T. PLAY.

    @GroundedWisdom no one explains RNG better than you, help me out here.

    I play this game because I like its animations and characters. The whole thing is beautiful in term of technology and ideas. It’s rare to play a game looks as real and smooth as this one.

    It doesn’t change a fact that the whole designed-to-casino RNG is wrongly applied. It should be applied in a game that doesn’t require skill and effort but luck. You will never see any effort-and-skill- based game that give you total random rewards. Will a soccer team accept random rewards after a long and hard season? No they don’t. Why do we have to accept it while we tried as hard as them?

    I understand that RNG awakens gamble lust inside players and they blindly try harder but it needs to be reworked. I don’t ask for it to be abandoned but reworded. Rework for the better.
    The soccer player knows that he is going to get a fat paycheck after the match, it's guaranteed. If you tell him beforehand that he may or may not get the prize for all his effort, it's up to him to play or not. If he does play and doesn't get the desired prize, he can't whine because he was already informed that he may or may not get them.
  • BigdogbobBigdogbob Posts: 88
    Is the RNG system stupid? Yes it is. Will they change it? No they won’t. It is the main source of revenue for the company. Asking for it to be changed is pointless. It is literally an absolute complete waste of time to ask them to change it as your request will receive no consideration whatsoever.
  • DirtyMan925DirtyMan925 Posts: 11
    I think Kabam is beginning to see the “RNG” system no longer works. As they design fights, Nodes, and champion abilities based around very particular champions, Synergy teams, and Rarities It is becoming more and more apparent. My guess is they will need to move to a more Milestone based system where reaching a certain spot will open up odds of getting the champs required to continue. Act 6 is the perfect example, many long time players 10k plus prestige are stuck waiting for an “RNG” champ needed to continue, this is not so much for the initial clear but certainly to 100%. Combine this with the absolutely absurd amount of champions in the pool when Kabam has designed a path requires at least 1 of maybe 3 different Champions or even worse 1 champion with 2 support members who all need to be a certain rarity and the whole system becomes broken. We seen this in M7 and from the initial look at next season it’s going to get worse. You run into issues where one player has the champs to take many paths but other players can only take one or two due to their roster and you end up needing to replace a good player based needing another guy who has better roster ie “RNG”. This becomes even more frustrating when you have a champ needed but they are waiting to be awakened all while having 3 gems of a class you have no use for rotting in your inventory for over a year but that’s another post in it self.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★

    I think Kabam is beginning to see the “RNG” system no longer works. As they design fights, Nodes, and champion abilities based around very particular champions, Synergy teams, and Rarities It is becoming more and more apparent. My guess is they will need to move to a more Milestone based system where reaching a certain spot will open up odds of getting the champs required to continue. Act 6 is the perfect example, many long time players 10k plus prestige are stuck waiting for an “RNG” champ needed to continue, this is not so much for the initial clear but certainly to 100%. Combine this with the absolutely absurd amount of champions in the pool when Kabam has designed a path requires at least 1 of maybe 3 different Champions or even worse 1 champion with 2 support members who all need to be a certain rarity and the whole system becomes broken. We seen this in M7 and from the initial look at next season it’s going to get worse. You run into issues where one player has the champs to take many paths but other players can only take one or two due to their roster and you end up needing to replace a good player based needing another guy who has better roster ie “RNG”. This becomes even more frustrating when you have a champ needed but they are waiting to be awakened all while having 3 gems of a class you have no use for rotting in your inventory for over a year but that’s another post in it self.

    Yes, you can’t beat biohazards Crossbone without 5* double immune champ. I am lucky to get some, but many don’t have that luxury. How long they have to wait for a right champ?
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 736 ★★★

    Lainua said:

    That's what I'm asking YOU, why are you playing this game if you don't like the concept of RNG? It's not a new concept, RNG's not a new concept.

    I'm not a sheep, I'm against stuff which is actually bad, the new login calendar? I hate it, it needs to be changed. So do the class and rarity gates. Also the Last stand crystals had awful drop rates, this is unfair and I don't follow this.

    Think of it this way, it's like I'm saying 'I don't like playing Ludo because it involves luck, I want it changed so that I throw my die twice and choose the better outcome', that's how stupid this is. If you don't like this concept. DON'T. PLAY.

    @GroundedWisdom no one explains RNG better than you, help me out here.

    I play this game because I like its animations and characters. The whole thing is beautiful in term of technology and ideas. It’s rare to play a game looks as real and smooth as this one.

    It doesn’t change a fact that the whole designed-to-casino RNG is wrongly applied. It should be applied in a game that doesn’t require skill and effort but luck. You will never see any effort-and-skill- based game that give you total random rewards. Will a soccer team accept random rewards after a long and hard season? No they don’t. Why do we have to accept it while we tried as hard as them?

    I understand that RNG awakens gamble lust inside players and they blindly try harder but it needs to be reworked. I don’t ask for it to be abandoned but reworded. Rework for the better.
    The soccer player knows that he is going to get a fat paycheck after the match, it's guaranteed. If you tell him beforehand that he may or may not get the prize for all his effort, it's up to him to play or not. If he does play and doesn't get the desired prize, he can't whine because he was already informed that he may or may not get them.
    Your logic is wrong. If you tell a soccer player that he may or may not get rewards, he will not play for sure. Soccer is his job and if he is not guaranteed to be paid he will not risk a year of work for nothing.

    I played another great game Clash of Clan for 2 years and RNG didn’t play any role on it. RNG is not the reason for this game to be great. In fact, such a great game is downgraded because of stupid RNG.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 1,143 ★★★★
    Lainua said:

    I think Kabam is beginning to see the “RNG” system no longer works. As they design fights, Nodes, and champion abilities based around very particular champions, Synergy teams, and Rarities It is becoming more and more apparent. My guess is they will need to move to a more Milestone based system where reaching a certain spot will open up odds of getting the champs required to continue. Act 6 is the perfect example, many long time players 10k plus prestige are stuck waiting for an “RNG” champ needed to continue, this is not so much for the initial clear but certainly to 100%. Combine this with the absolutely absurd amount of champions in the pool when Kabam has designed a path requires at least 1 of maybe 3 different Champions or even worse 1 champion with 2 support members who all need to be a certain rarity and the whole system becomes broken. We seen this in M7 and from the initial look at next season it’s going to get worse. You run into issues where one player has the champs to take many paths but other players can only take one or two due to their roster and you end up needing to replace a good player based needing another guy who has better roster ie “RNG”. This becomes even more frustrating when you have a champ needed but they are waiting to be awakened all while having 3 gems of a class you have no use for rotting in your inventory for over a year but that’s another post in it self.

    Yes, you can’t beat biohazards Crossbone without 5* double immune champ. I am lucky to get some, but many don’t have that luxury. How long they have to wait for a right champ?
    Double immune? Last I checked punching CB block is entirely optional, meaning you only actually need bleed immunity
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,782 ★★★★★
    Thread title is accurate. We need more RNG. Boosts with an RNG chance of 10-40% would be a good start.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 6,962 ★★★★★
    Lainua said:

    Do you understand the difference between a mobile game and casino? In casino your knowledge and effort do nothing for you. You gamble and fate will decide everything. So anyone step in a casino accept it as a fact.

    It’s different in a mobile game. You got your rewards not by luck or fate but knowledge and effort. It’s totally different. And you accept the same RNG system which is designed and applied in gamble industry? How stupid we are?

    The difference is we are getting something when we open crystals. It may not be what you want but you are still rewarded. At a casino you may leave with nothing.
  • DirtyMan925DirtyMan925 Posts: 11
    Well let’s say at this “casino” there is a requirement to pull three grapes on a slot machine to be able to enter. Now there are 150 different items and no guarantees you will ever pull any certain item. How long before guys give up trying to get in and move onto something else. Next step let’s say you get in!!! Now you are in and playing life is good your having fun meeting, peers etc when all the sudden they start adding more requirements to maintain your current standing. Now you need to pull an apple, Wood chunk, and Ivory from the slot machine in order to continue participating, Again no guarantees you get to keep the status and level you worked insanely hard to achieve maybe you get lucky or maybe you try till you are so demoralized and disheartened that you just leave.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,078 ★★★★★
    Isn’t OP one of those that exploited the heck out of bounties?
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