Regarding the recent champion additions.

IDogeIDoge Member Posts: 409 ★★
edited June 2019 in General Discussion
Okay so I know Kabam puts some hard effort and creativity into champ abilities, but some these 2019 champions are a joke. Human Torch, Annihilus, and Invisible Woman are difficult to maintain their damage output. Diablo and Ebony Maw's abilities are clearly rushed. On top of all this, they close our threads to silence the community's feedback. Kabam should just go ahead and fix these champs without needing a rework.

P.S. Kabam please don't close this thread or you prove my point

https://youtu.be/NAYQlCogxnc
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  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    *sigh*

    If all the new champs are awesome, the balance just gets worse. They’re trying to buff old champs as fast as they can, but complaining whenever a new champ isn’t insane god tier just reinforces the existing power creep.

    Maw counters the current best champs, bringing them back down to earth a little, but he’s not insane himself. (They made this mistake with domino when trying to get blade out of the spot of “undisputed best”)

    Namor, on the other hand, has NO defensive abilities to speak of. He looks awesome, no doubt, but he’ll have drawbacks, and will no doubt be easy to counter in the future.
  • DankPlutoDankPluto Member Posts: 137
    I got iron man as my first five star which is pretty much unusable
  • DalBotDalBot Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★★
    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...
  • Adman0726Adman0726 Member Posts: 44
    Kabam has to put out new champs each month - and some champs are better than others. When the champs are strong they make more money because people want them more... What's the problem with that? Also the balance side of this is so irrelevant - the only head to head comparisons you could argue balance against is War but war has 30 champs
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:
    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

  • Ghosty64Ghosty64 Member Posts: 171
    IDoge said:

    Okay so I know Kabam puts some hard effort and creativity into champ abilities, but some these 2019 champions are a joke. Human Torch, Annihilus, and Invisible Woman are difficult to maintain their damage output. Diablo and Ebony Maw's abilities are clearly rushed. On top of all this, they close our threads to silence the community's feedback. Kabam should just go ahead and fix these champs without needing a rework.

    P.S. Kabam please don't close this thread or you prove my point

    https://youtu.be/NAYQlCogxnc

    Your point kind of sucks
    Their needs to be balance
    Maybe change your point to seatins(even though he did a poor job at showing it)
    Maw needs an adjustment( maybe let his deterioration be consumed without having to be awakened. Only that part)
    His point was what’s the point in going for a 6 star maw when you can go for a 4 star Namor
    Maybe more people would then agree with you
  • CharlieMurphyKCCharlieMurphyKC Member Posts: 91
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
    I never shamed him for being new if he even is so don't try derailing the post
    And because my view is contradictory to yours, I “don’t know much about the game”?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,792 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    Why would 5.3 be the measuring stick? Is that where you are others that aren't there are inferior?
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
    I never shamed him for being new if he even is so don't try derailing the post
    And because my view is contradictory to yours, I “don’t know much about the game”?
    I wasn't implying directly about you I meant in general. If you took it personal it's not our problem.
    Ummm what? You’re discounting someone’s opinion because they think differently than you. I’m pointing that out. I guess that’s not your problem either?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,792 ★★★★★



    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Hey! Stop it! You don’t know much about the game!
  • TomBrady12TomBrady12 Member Posts: 85
    I get that not every champ can be god tier but it really sucks that they are totally killing the Mystic class. 3 champs in the last 2 years and 2 are utter garbage.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★

    I get that not every champ can be god tier but it really sucks that they are totally killing the Mystic class. 3 champs in the last 2 years and 2 are utter garbage.

    Yeah I agree, and one class has to be the worst. There is actually the potential for a lot of new mystics (Mysterio—iffy, Doom, etc)
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,792 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    Why would 5.3 be the measuring stick? Is that where you are others that aren't there are inferior?
    5.3 kinda is a measuring stick because it means you have become uncollected and are able to acquire 6* champs and participate in Uncollected EQs. You miss out on a lot of the game's content if you aren't uncollected so you would have less experience.
    Doesn't mean people cant have input. If they get these champs they can use them in their current content they are only. Its all subjective.

    Bottomline- not every new champ is going to be beyond God tier. Most champs are well rounded and are only good for certain things. Take Cull Obsidian for instance-
    Can't use him on defense.
    Not good for LoL.
    Can't use him on debuff immune nodes.
    Takes tons of block damage.
    Yet he's on seatins beyond god tier list.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    edited June 2019
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Dude send me some sick gameplay of that r4 Phoenix in act 6. That is like the only content that matters, right? That gold 3 ally lookin pretty top tier as well. I assume you’ve done easy path LoL with that IMIW. And— oh my gosh, 174k rating? Insane!

    The point is that everyone has a valid opinion, and you can’t tear down others because there’s always someone bigger than you.
  • SnizzbarSnizzbar Member Posts: 2,168 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    I don't think you know what majority actually means.
  • TomBrady12TomBrady12 Member Posts: 85

    I get that not every champ can be god tier but it really sucks that they are totally killing the Mystic class. 3 champs in the last 2 years and 2 are utter garbage.

    How do they kill a class when there are still a lot of viable options? Introducing relatively bad champs doesn’t mean that they are killing a class
    By adding god tier champs in every other class over the last 2 years. Mystic went from being one of the best to one of the worst classes.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Not much better. You don't have the expierence to make the comments you are making. Especially towards harder content. You have no idea what that content is even like.

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Dude send me some sick gameplay of that r4 Phoenix in act 6. That is like the only content that matters, right? That gold 3 ally lookin pretty top tier as well. I assume you’ve done easy path LoL with that IMIW. And— oh my gosh, 174k rating? Insane!

    The point is that everyone has a valid opinion, and you can’t tear down others because there’s always someone bigger than you.
    You two are really derailing this post. This is all becoming personal rather than us discussing about these champs that many of you wont rank up yet defend
    Dude, a civilized conversation isn’t possible when you mark the other person off immediately when they take their stand.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    If you don’t agree with me, why can’t you just move on?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,792 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Not much better. You don't have the expierence to make the comments you are making. Especially towards harder content. You have no idea what that content is even like.

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Dude send me some sick gameplay of that r4 Phoenix in act 6. That is like the only content that matters, right? That gold 3 ally lookin pretty top tier as well. I assume you’ve done easy path LoL with that IMIW. And— oh my gosh, 174k rating? Insane!

    The point is that everyone has a valid opinion, and you can’t tear down others because there’s always someone bigger than you.
    You two are really derailing this post. This is all becoming personal rather than us discussing about these champs that many of you wont rank up yet defend
    Because this post is completely illrelevant. There are good champs and bad champs. You cannot speak to any of their usefulness beyond 5.2 because you haven't made it past that.

    Maw can be a good defender.
    Invisible Woman isn't even released yet.
    Namor is pure offense.
    Diablo has some uses. My ally mate pulled him as a 6* and says he's actually pretty fun to play.
    Annilihus is a solid champ.

    None of them are world beaters and thats fine. That's balance.

    Try taking your R4 Pheonix into a tier 1 war. See how well you do.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    But I guess that 5/50 Korg would do way better in t1 war?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,792 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Not much better. You don't have the expierence to make the comments you are making. Especially towards harder content. You have no idea what that content is even like.

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:




    You aren't even uncollected yet. You, yourself haven't even reached 5.3 yet. If you say those people have no business commenting, neither do you.

    Nice try. That is not my main account.
    Doubtful. I bet its your only account.

    Dude send me some sick gameplay of that r4 Phoenix in act 6. That is like the only content that matters, right? That gold 3 ally lookin pretty top tier as well. I assume you’ve done easy path LoL with that IMIW. And— oh my gosh, 174k rating? Insane!

    The point is that everyone has a valid opinion, and you can’t tear down others because there’s always someone bigger than you.
    You two are really derailing this post. This is all becoming personal rather than us discussing about these champs that many of you wont rank up yet defend
    Dude, a civilized conversation isn’t possible when you mark the other person off immediately when they take their stand.
    Here we go again. This is how some posts can grow exponentially in pages. If you don't agree with my point why can't you just move on? At this point I want Kabam to shut down this thread
    You cant make a post like this and not expect different opinions. You have to take your posts' criticisms when you try to twist things around to make them seem worse than they actually are.
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