Dear Kabam, PLEASE stop overstuffing already stacked classes.

FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
edited July 2019 in General Discussion
Come on, Kabam. The mutant and cosmic classes have SO many godlike champions. SO. MANY, and then there's classes like Mystic and Tech. For the sake of comparison, here are the Champions in the top 2 and bottom 2 classes.

⭕Mutant - Domino, Omega Red, Namor, Archangel, Sabertooth, Iceman, Havok, Emma Frost.

⭕ Cosmic - Cull Obsidian, Hyperion, Medusa, Corvus Glaive, Captain Marvel (Movie), Venom the Duck, Venom, Proxima Midnight.

Then there are these ones : -

🔘Tech - Sentinel, Darkhawk, Spider-Man (Stark Enhanced), Ghost, Star Lord.

🔘Mystic - Magik, Symbiote Supreme, Doctor Voodoo, Ghost Rider, Morningstar.

That's 17:10 when you compare the top 2 and bottom 2 classes. Talk about balance. As if this wasn't enough, we have Colossus and OML buffs coming to further imbalance this (won't blame you guys for Colossus, since he was chosen by the community). No one asked an OML buff, there are other classes crying in the corner.

Please Kabam, just don't make any Mutant/Cosmic champions for 5-6 consecutive updates. I get it if if doesn't happen right away since you've probably planned all champions up till 2019. But please do it as soon as you can, we don't need more champions from these two classes.

Anyone who disagrees may reply with their thoughts.
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  • BrudixTreeBrudixTree Member Posts: 801 ★★

    Come on, Kabam. The mutant and cosmic classes have SO many godlike champions. SO. MANY, and then there's classes like Mystic and Tech. For the sake of comparison, here are the Champions in the top 2 and bottom 2 classes.

    ⭕Mutant - Domino, Omega Red, Namor, Archangel, Sabertooth, Iceman, Havok, Emma Frost.

    ⭕ Cosmic - Cull Obsidian, Hyperion, Medusa, Corvus Glaive, Captain Marvel (Movie), Venom the Duck, Venom, Proxima Midnight.

    Then there are these ones : -

    🔘Tech - Sentinel, Darkhawk, Spider-Man (Stark Enhanced), Ghost, Star Lord.

    🔘Mystic - Magik, Symbiote Supreme, Doctor Voodoo, Ghost Rider, Morningstar.

    That's 17:10 when you compare the top 2 and bottom 2 classes. Talk about balance. As if this wasn't enough, we have Colossus and OML buffs coming to further imbalance this (won't blame you guys for Colossus, since he was chosen by the community). No one asked an OML buff, there are other classes crying in the corner.

    Please Kabam, just don't make any Mutant/Cosmic champions for 5-6 consecutive updates. I get it if if doesn't happen right away since you've probably planned all champions up till 2019. But please do it as soon as you can, we don't need more champions from these two classes.

    Anyone who disagrees may reply with their thoughts.

    Fully aggree, i'd love some more good champs for Talent then Blade, GP Aegon and Nick Fury....
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    If only Kabam would ever check the hero wishlist. I am certain that there are plenty of good mystic/tech suggestions. I don't think that the problem is lack of characters. I can name a few tech champions right off the top of my head like Shocker, Forge or Jocasta. Maybe The Mandarin and Hellstorm as mystic characters.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.

    Even if this was true, why then not just make one of the most important tech Champions, called iron man, who was just the dude who safed the whole universe and who killed Thanos, a bit better than a pice of stinky poop?
    Because this game is not based on the MCU maybe? Even still Ironman IW, the one we are talking about is listed as high demi got tier...
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    DalBot said:

    It's not Kabam's issue - the thing is, Marvel has a long history of Superheroes 'accidentally' gaining powers (i.e. Science); and a massive population of mutants thanks to forty years of X-men comics (i.e. mutants). There's also a huge number of Cosmic beings to choose from thanks to decades of Thor, Fantastic Four and GOTG comics; plus a lot of the major Marvel cross-overs have involved Cosmic threats like the Kree, Skrulls, Galactus, Korvac, etc.

    As regards Mystic and Tech, Marvel simply hasn't anything like as large a pool of well-known mystic or Tech heroes to draw from as it does Science/Mutant/Cosmic. There aren't all that many Tech heroes who aren't immediately linked with Iron Man. There's a very large pool of Tech villains to draw from, as a lot of Marvel Science heroes fight villainous Tech opponents. But what major Tech heroes are missing from the game? Steel Spider, perhaps... Box or Vindicator from Alpha Flight? Stingray...?

    By comparison, DC has a far larger pool of Mystics than Marvel does, but would have essentially zero mutants.

    Simple solution: Blade should have been mystic all along.
    except that would not fit in anyway.
  • BrudixTreeBrudixTree Member Posts: 801 ★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.

    Even if this was true, why then not just make one of the most important tech Champions, called iron man, who was just the dude who safed the whole universe and who killed Thanos, a bit better than a pice of stinky poop?
    Because this game is not based on the MCU maybe? Even still Ironman IW, the one we are talking about is listed as high demi got tier...
    I know that, but i mean he is such a fans favourite, the OG Ironman is just such trash, they could buff him because People love the Person Iron man!

  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.

    Even if this was true, why then not just make one of the most important tech Champions, called iron man, who was just the dude who safed the whole universe and who killed Thanos, a bit better than a pice of stinky poop?
    Because this game is not based on the MCU maybe? Even still Ironman IW, the one we are talking about is listed as high demi got tier...
    I know that, but i mean he is such a fans favourite, the OG Ironman is just such trash, they could buff him because People love the Person Iron man!

    the vast majority of the original characters are trash, that is what happens. They are working through improving them. even still if we are going by popularity thor would be before ironman.
  • Zayo_278Zayo_278 Member Posts: 264
    Introduce cythorak and the ancient one for mystics and buff up dormammu.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    DalBot said:

    It's not Kabam's issue - the thing is, Marvel has a long history of Superheroes 'accidentally' gaining powers (i.e. Science); and a massive population of mutants thanks to forty years of X-men comics (i.e. mutants). There's also a huge number of Cosmic beings to choose from thanks to decades of Thor, Fantastic Four and GOTG comics; plus a lot of the major Marvel cross-overs have involved Cosmic threats like the Kree, Skrulls, Galactus, Korvac, etc.

    As regards Mystic and Tech, Marvel simply hasn't anything like as large a pool of well-known mystic or Tech heroes to draw from as it does Science/Mutant/Cosmic. There aren't all that many Tech heroes who aren't immediately linked with Iron Man. There's a very large pool of Tech villains to draw from, as a lot of Marvel Science heroes fight villainous Tech opponents. But what major Tech heroes are missing from the game? Steel Spider, perhaps... Box or Vindicator from Alpha Flight? Stingray...?

    By comparison, DC has a far larger pool of Mystics than Marvel does, but would have essentially zero mutants.

    Simple solution: Blade should have been mystic all along.
    except that would not fit in anyway.
    He's a half human, half vampire, so to me that's mystic.
    Except his vampire side does not really do anything except provide extra healing. he was trained massively to be at peak fighting ability, he does not use any mystical powers, he uses a sword and a gun.
  • TwmRTwmR Member Posts: 662 ★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.

    Even if this was true, why then not just make one of the most important tech Champions, called iron man, who was just the dude who safed the whole universe and who killed Thanos, a bit better than a pice of stinky poop?
    Because this game is not based on the MCU maybe? Even still Ironman IW, the one we are talking about is listed as high demi got tier...
    I know that, but i mean he is such a fans favourite, the OG Ironman is just such trash, they could buff him because People love the Person Iron man!

    I get what you're saying but we do have a very useful Ironman I think it's much better to buff the outdated champs who do not have a different version in the game that's relevant.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    DalBot said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    DalBot said:

    It's not Kabam's issue - the thing is, Marvel has a long history of Superheroes 'accidentally' gaining powers (i.e. Science); and a massive population of mutants thanks to forty years of X-men comics (i.e. mutants). There's also a huge number of Cosmic beings to choose from thanks to decades of Thor, Fantastic Four and GOTG comics; plus a lot of the major Marvel cross-overs have involved Cosmic threats like the Kree, Skrulls, Galactus, Korvac, etc.

    As regards Mystic and Tech, Marvel simply hasn't anything like as large a pool of well-known mystic or Tech heroes to draw from as it does Science/Mutant/Cosmic. There aren't all that many Tech heroes who aren't immediately linked with Iron Man. There's a very large pool of Tech villains to draw from, as a lot of Marvel Science heroes fight villainous Tech opponents. But what major Tech heroes are missing from the game? Steel Spider, perhaps... Box or Vindicator from Alpha Flight? Stingray...?

    By comparison, DC has a far larger pool of Mystics than Marvel does, but would have essentially zero mutants.

    Simple solution: Blade should have been mystic all along.
    except that would not fit in anyway.
    He's a half human, half vampire, so to me that's mystic.
    Except his vampire side does not really do anything except provide extra healing. he was trained massively to be at peak fighting ability, he does not use any mystical powers, he uses a sword and a gun.
    Did you just skip the healing part? Danger sense? Dude is half-vampire, that's by definition mystic
    Did you just skip my first sentence?

    Spiderman has "spider sense" should he be mystic as well? How about Black widow?

    How about Cap, after all he is not exactly human anymore after taking the serum.
  • LordBeaverbrokeLordBeaverbroke Member Posts: 285 ★★

    Lormif said:

    Its a matter of the comics. There is a massive number of mutants but not many tech or especially good mystics.

    Here are a few

    Mystic
    1) Doctor Doom
    2) Enchantress
    3) Dracula
    4) Blackheart
    5) Odin
    6) Morbius
    7) Werewolf by Night
    8) The Living Mummy
    9) Wiccan
    10) The Ancient One
    11) Kaecillius
    12) Malekith
    13) Cloak and Dagger

    Tech
    1) Whiplash
    2) Lady Deathstrike
    3) Jocasta
    4) Ironheart
    5) Tinkerer
    6) Shocker
    7) Forge
    8) The Destroyer
    9) Spider-Man 2099
    10) Titanium Man
    11) Scorpion
    12) Scorpion 2099

    Do not give me that excuse, there aren't less potential mystic/tech characters if you actually look for them for like, 5 minutes.
    Lady Deathstrike should be a mutant, having been part of the Weapon X program and all.

    My personal suggestions for tech would be Guardian, and for mystic would be Shaman, Snowbird and Puck, all from Alpha Flight.
  • hurricanthurricant Member Posts: 599 ★★★★

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    visions - one who you can buy once a year for 10k units, and the other who doesnt exist as a 5 star. those should help me in act 6!
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
  • LordBeaverbrokeLordBeaverbroke Member Posts: 285 ★★

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
    I took Yondu up to deal with the passive AI in just about everything.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 5,947 ★★★★★

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
    I took Yondu up to deal with the passive AI in just about everything.
    And buffet and masochism nodes. Just to make em go away with spam sp1 lol
  • LordBeaverbrokeLordBeaverbroke Member Posts: 285 ★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
    I took Yondu up to deal with the passive AI in just about everything.
    And buffet and masochism nodes. Just to make em go away with spam sp1 lol
    yeah, that too. Also Mr. Sinister anywhere.
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★

    Buttehrs said:

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
    I took Yondu up to deal with the passive AI in just about everything.
    And buffet and masochism nodes. Just to make em go away with spam sp1 lol
    yeah, that too. Also Mr. Sinister anywhere.
    Okay. I guess you guys proved me wrong there, sorry. But still, if you look at how many champions in the tech and mystic class who have uses like these, and then compare them to the champions in the mutant and cosmic class, they're still lagging behind in numbers.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 5,947 ★★★★★

    Buttehrs said:

    Mystic, I agree with. But tech has a lot of great options. Sparky, darkhawk, SL, sentinel, ghost are all obvious. But also, doc ock is a great power/health controller, visions are great power controllers, yondu is a solid heal blocker, IMIW is a swiss army knife and counters annoying matchups like korg, vulture is super underrated and counters havok easily, nebula and ultron are great double immunity champions, and now there’s a new addition to the class who looks pretty solid in Mysterio. Tech is pretty decently stacked

    Well if you're considering champions with such niche uses then I should consider Mister Sinister, Wolverine, Wolverine X-23, Hela, Angela, Thor, Bishop, Heimdall, The Champion too, right? Will anyone actually take up Vulture or Yondu for such mediocre uses? I don't think so.
    I took Yondu up to deal with the passive AI in just about everything.
    And buffet and masochism nodes. Just to make em go away with spam sp1 lol
    yeah, that too. Also Mr. Sinister anywhere.
    Okay. I guess you guys proved me wrong there, sorry. But still, if you look at how many champions in the tech and mystic class who have uses like these, and then compare them to the champions in the mutant and cosmic class, they're still lagging behind in numbers.
    Eh ita just how games like this go. For the longest time mystic was the top class. Now it is a bit lacking comparativly speaking. Itll come back around.
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  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Member Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    Blade could have gone either way. Since his kit focuses mainly on using his swords and guns to bleed, it makes sense he’s skill. The only real mysticism in his kit he utilizes is his enhanced regeneration factor. Honestly this debate is far less important than other champ debates. Like Korg being skill instead of cosmic. Sometimes Kabam/Marvel just classify them to what might be needed in the game. When Blade came out, so did two other mystics and skill was a really awful class. Probably the worst class at the time honestly. It wasn’t until Blade was introduced as skill that the class finally started gaining some momentum.
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