Spider Verse champs can evade venom on some nodes - Suggestion for a fix included

arni2

Hi,
Venom is a great champion after the buff. His klyntar buff allowing him to ignore the evade spider verse, which is very nice because in comics venom was be able to prevent spider-sense.

Unfortunately, klyntar is an active buff (black circle) which can be removed by buffet node, fisticuffs and some other nodes, which doesn't seem right due base ability of venom.

I have a suggestion to fix the issue:
Make evade prevention as a passive ability that venom has. Keep the klyntar as a regular buff as it's now to not "break the game", but make the evade prevention as a passive ability that venom has.

Thank you

YoMoves

Nah....and you know why?

Venom is a Cosmic champion. You know what the Cosmic class is, has always been, and will forever be known for?

Buffs. Buffs, buffs, and more buffs. There was a cosmic who didn't have a buff once (Ronan) and they BUFFED him so he could get a buff. Klyntar remaining as a buff makes absolute perfect sense and balances the game just fine. Beat Spidey with something else on that node. Might I suggest Archangel or Killmonger?

BrudixTree

i can understand both views in this thread, i had my Problems with this to OP, but as @YoMoves already said, it would smh Change the cosmic stile. Sadly they did it to she hulk, now she gets passive fury....

Eb0ny-O-M4w

They would need to do the same for the other abilities as well, which won't really happen. Its fine as it is really

YoMoves

There's a general format that most (not all, but most) champions of each class adhere to.

Cosmic: Buffs.
Mystic: Removal of buffs.
Science: Strong overall performance but lacking in specialization i.e. Good, but rarely the absolute best at what they do.
Skill: Damage over time.
Tech: Armor manipulation and power control.
Mutant: Specialists who excel at particular fights (i.e. Iceman for immunities/Spidey, AA's neurotoxin, etc.)

te_dua_shum

BrudixTree said:

i can understand both views in this thread, i had my Problems with this to OP, but as @YoMoves already said, it would smh Change the cosmic stile. Sadly they did it to she hulk, now she gets passive fury....

i think that they did a good thing giving she-hulk (and others like Cap IW and GHulk) passive effects instead of buffs, because now these Science champs can fight Mystic without having to worry about their buff getting nullified, a good thing if most of your main opponents will rely on this to perform at their best

Kaladin_

Also Defense tactic

LibertyPrimeV1

arni2 said:

Hi,
Venom is a great champion after the buff. His klyntar buff allowing him to ignore the evade spider verse, which is very nice because in comics venom was be able to prevent spider-sense.

Unfortunately, klyntar is an active buff (black circle) which can be removed by buffet node, fisticuffs and some other nodes, which doesn't seem right due base ability of venom.

I have a suggestion to fix the issue:
Make evade prevention as a passive ability that venom has. Keep the klyntar as a regular buff as it's now to not "break the game", but make the evade prevention as a passive ability that venom has.

Thank you

Even if it was left soley on Balancing Reasons, they're never changing it to a Passive. And if they did they have to implement a way to remove it for again Balancing, probably akin to Agent Venom's Klyntar Rage Passive which can be removed by getting Hit 5 Times. Usually I agree with these types of small changes but Venom is already such an insane Champion that it's really not needed and is one of the few ways to counter him, sorry.

Lvernon15

It’s been designed that way so that there are counters to venom as an evade counter, and while I’d love for venom to just flat out destroy evade no matter what I think it does open more opportunities for spider men to be placed smartly on defence and make it so venom can’t just run through them

LibertyPrimeV1

Also it actually technically lines up with the recent Venom Stories, it's explained that everytime a Symbiote (in this case Venom) bonds with a person they leave a tiny "Codex" within them that stores memories of their time bonded that can be accessed later. This is why once Venom left Spiderman for the first time remembered his Spider Sense, how it worked, how to get around it, and was able to share this information with Eddie Brock. So if we assume this Klyntar Buff is actually his "Main Codex" then it would explain why, when temporarily removed/inhibited, he would not remember how to get around Spider Character's Spider Senses and other things like the Immunity to certain Technologies and having an increased hatred/bloodlust for Heroes.