Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes

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  • Mr_WiffMr_Wiff Posts: 239
    M_virk said:

    I think at this point all we can do is wait for the changes to be announced. KABAM is clearly not interesting in responding to us about this at the moment and since we dont know what the exact nerf will be, we can only assume things. Corporate white knights will always defend kabam so there is no point arguing with them.
    Let kabam announce the nerf and we'll see if kabam is scamming the players or actually balancing the game.
    If kabam truly wants to balance the game then cull will be rebalaced instead of being nerfed. If his damage is reduced a bit but his block prof. is increased then it's a fair trade and that would be a proper rebalance.
    But if they straight up nerf his damage then at that point kabam is just scamming people by selling solid champs and then changing them so people would be more enticed to spend more money on newer OP champs they release at that point in time.

    What I've been trying to say though I'm probably labelled a corporate white knight. When all I have been saying is wait for further announcements before you pick up the pitch fork. I certainly wouldn't stop ranking champs out of fear that is blowing this out of proportion.
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Posts: 1,552 ★★★★★
    Mr_Wiff said:

    M_virk said:

    I think at this point all we can do is wait for the changes to be announced. KABAM is clearly not interesting in responding to us about this at the moment and since we dont know what the exact nerf will be, we can only assume things. Corporate white knights will always defend kabam so there is no point arguing with them.
    Let kabam announce the nerf and we'll see if kabam is scamming the players or actually balancing the game.
    If kabam truly wants to balance the game then cull will be rebalaced instead of being nerfed. If his damage is reduced a bit but his block prof. is increased then it's a fair trade and that would be a proper rebalance.
    But if they straight up nerf his damage then at that point kabam is just scamming people by selling solid champs and then changing them so people would be more enticed to spend more money on newer OP champs they release at that point in time.

    What I've been trying to say though I'm probably labelled a corporate white knight. When all I have been saying is wait for further announcements before you pick up the pitch fork. I certainly wouldn't stop ranking champs out of fear that is blowing this out of proportion.
    I'm just saying wait. It makes sense because we don't know the degree of change. I don't think that is unreasonable to hold, Cull is not a game changing champ for end game content right now. So, why not execute a little patience because he will change for good or for bad.

    Also, he has great prestige so if that's your reason for the rank up I say go ahead but the person involved said nothing about prestige.
  • Cam77778888Cam77778888 Posts: 76
    No mods response
  • WhathappenedWhathappened Posts: 751 ★★★

    Holy hell this thread is still going! Can someone, for the love of god, give Taskmaster a little help? He’s been broken for months!

    What's wrong with Taskmaster? Rarely use him.
  • RagamugginGunnerRagamugginGunner Posts: 2,210 ★★★★★
    Haji_Saab said:

    Judging from the timing of Colossus and OML bug which has taken 6 months from the announcement, it seems like the new champions won't be in their final balanced state for more than 9 months!

    Does anyone at Kabam see the ridiculousness of this timeline?

    KT1 posted a video recently about ranking fear and he made a good point. By the time they actually implement any champ balances (6 months at a minimum but mostly likely more time then that) most champs aren't that useful anymore. Defenders get figured out and Kabam creates new champs/nodes/content to counter them so 6-9 months is about as long as most champs are useful. Something I didn't think about but outside of a few champs it's pretty true.
  • SupermancaSupermanca Posts: 120
    edited October 2019
    Cull is not as good as you guys think. Medusa, Hyperion, and especially Corvus are way better than Cull. I was about to make the mistake of taking him to R2 but Kabam stopped me from doing that because of the re-Balancing.
    THANK YOU KABAM.
    Now I have Hyperion and Corvus at R5 and I cannot be happier. Thats 4 T5B for two champs, instead of 3 T5B for one un-duped, no immunity, and bad block proficiency champ, who just hits hard.
    KT1 has an excellent point here concerning Cull. "Cull Obsidian - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly! - Champion review!"
    Watch this:

  • gsil6374gsil6374 Posts: 219 ★★
    Well I just got a 5 star Maw. It compliments my lastest 6 star (I get 1 every 3 months unlike you whales), Diablo. They can battle it out for the worse character of 2019. I personally welcome this change. Not everyone has the luck to pull the so called, 'god tier' characters. We have to work with the literal **** we are given.
  • KeepinItRealKeepinItReal Posts: 227
    Has MCOC given any specific, clear & confirmed updated "rebalancing" information on Cull? I recently got him as a 6* but very hesitant to R2 him or even RUp others for synergies (5* GHulk). Not a fan of waiting 6-9 months to be confident whether I got lucky on a pull or whether to invest resources to RUp a new champ. This vague "rebalancing": whether nerf, buff or true balance is really taking some of the enjoyment out of playing MCOC personally.
  • JohnHSJohnHS Posts: 509 ★★★

    Has MCOC given any specific, clear & confirmed updated "rebalancing" information on Cull? I recently got him as a 6* but very hesitant to R2 him or even RUp others for synergies (5* GHulk). Not a fan of waiting 6-9 months to be confident whether I got lucky on a pull or whether to invest resources to RUp a new champ. This vague "rebalancing": whether nerf, buff or true balance is really taking some of the enjoyment out of playing MCOC personally.

    Nope. They've been almost entirely silent on this topic.
  • jdyke23jdyke23 Posts: 215
    All I’m going to say is : when you get a new champion that has mega hype abuse the **** out of it till he’s “balanced” also with the whole RDT thing we should have sig stones also as I was saving my cosmic stones for months till I pulled a worthy champ and along cane cull so I pumped 120 stones into him and now he’s getting changed and I know damn well I’m not the only one who’s done this. I don’t like the road this game is going down it’s a long slippery slope downhill from here
  • TyEdgeTyEdge Posts: 658 ★★★
    edited October 2019

    AndTav said:

    Is it to laugh or to cry?


    That's a shame you can't even enjoy that pull. I wouldn't take him past r3 at this point.
    You couldn't be more wrong. I played him at rank 4, and immediately made him my third rank 5 champ. I'm going to use these two months to 100% Variant 2, and if the nerf makes him substandard, I will have recouped enough rankup materials from the event that it won't matter (a 4-5 gem, 3-4 gem, and 3 2015 3-4 gems, plus the other goodies).

    I've been running this team:
    Cull
    Ebony Maw (crit boost for the first 20 seconds, plus a bonus charge for KO during rout)
    Cap IW (crit boost x2)
    Cap Marvel (increased cosmic buff duration via Cap IW synergy)
    Gladiator Hulk (grants fury to Cull on specials, longer against heroes)

    Obviously, you can't do it for poison or bleed, but I've cleared 7 paths in the past two days after not clearing any variant content, 6.2, or LOL. Hit 1-2 heavies for armor break at the start of the fight. Trigger rout. Trigger SP1 for combo shield and just go wreck everything. I also can't imagine a better counter for that Adaptoid with the ridiculous evade, since Cull is XL and gets true accuracy with charges accrued. Edit: and this is unduped btw.
  • Ace_03Ace_03 Posts: 940 ★★★★

    TyEdge said:

    AndTav said:

    Is it to laugh or to cry?


    That's a shame you can't even enjoy that pull. I wouldn't take him past r3 at this point.
    You couldn't be more wrong. I played him at rank 4, and immediately made him my third rank 5 champ. I'm going to use these two months to 100% Variant 2, and if the nerf makes him substandard, I will have recouped enough rankup materials from the event that it won't matter (a 4-5 gem, 3-4 gem, and 3 2015 3-4 gems, plus the other goodies).

    I've been running this team:
    Cull
    Ebony Maw (crit boost for the first 20 seconds, plus a bonus charge for KO during rout)
    Cap IW (crit boost x2)
    Cap Marvel (increased cosmic buff duration via Cap IW synergy)
    Gladiator Hulk (grants fury to Cull on specials, longer against heroes)

    Obviously, you can't do it for poison or bleed, but I've cleared 7 paths in the past two days after not clearing any variant content, 6.2, or LOL. Hit 1-2 heavies for armor break at the start of the fight. Trigger rout. Trigger SP1 for combo shield and just go wreck everything. I also can't imagine a better counter for that Adaptoid with the ridiculous evade, since Cull is XL and gets true accuracy with charges accrued. Edit: and this is unduped btw.
    Well I have a diverse roster and Cull wouldn't even make my rank 5 list. I don't want to constantly dump potions into a champ for end game content. Plus I've already beat all the variants. I never said Cull is a terrible champion, I'm saying the uncertainty of what he'll be after the update will take the enjoyment out of playing him. If you find him useful and you clearly do, congratulations.

    Agreed, it's not the action itself but the intention behind it. As it's been written before, it sets a bad precedent; because our champion rosters are the only thing we can control in Marvel: Contest of Champions, which has already been severely hindered by rarity and class restrictions, now on top of that they can modify a champion whenever they see fit?

    Being told (with emphasis in told, these feedback threads don't seem to hold much sway in most cases) that a champion will be modified in 3 months, even do there is due diligence there, still doesn't change what's going to happen and the domino effect it will have on all of our rosters.

    It's as if all of our rosters have a flying ghost, whenever 3 months go by it activates and curses one of our best champions (or one of the best according to them) and then it goes dormant. You know it's there, but there is nothing you can do.

    I don't care if they nerf them pre-release, even after the players see their abilities with datamines, that's fair. But after 3 months, come on. If this is how it's going to be, close the forums to any type of writing and just have general announcements on the happenings in the game, at least we can save ourselves all the pomp and circumstance of writing over here, only for our letters to fall in blind eyes.
  • r3dyr3dy Posts: 30
    TyEdge said:

    AndTav said:

    Is it to laugh or to cry?


    That's a shame you can't even enjoy that pull. I wouldn't take him past r3 at this point.
    You couldn't be more wrong. I played him at rank 4, and immediately made him my third rank 5 champ. I'm going to use these two months to 100% Variant 2, and if the nerf makes him substandard, I will have recouped enough rankup materials from the event that it won't matter (a 4-5 gem, 3-4 gem, and 3 2015 3-4 gems, plus the other goodies).

    I've been running this team:
    Cull
    Ebony Maw (crit boost for the first 20 seconds, plus a bonus charge for KO during rout)
    Cap IW (crit boost x2)
    Cap Marvel (increased cosmic buff duration via Cap IW synergy)
    Gladiator Hulk (grants fury to Cull on specials, longer against heroes)

    Obviously, you can't do it for poison or bleed, but I've cleared 7 paths in the past two days after not clearing any variant content, 6.2, or LOL. Hit 1-2 heavies for armor break at the start of the fight. Trigger rout. Trigger SP1 for combo shield and just go wreck everything. I also can't imagine a better counter for that Adaptoid with the ridiculous evade, since Cull is XL and gets true accuracy with charges accrued. Edit: and this is unduped btw.
    Clearing V2 to recover some stuff?? that do not make any sense.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,770 ★★★★★

    Just a question, but why are newer champions being reworked before older, worse champions?

    MCOC Team said:

    Summoners,

    The next two Champions to get the rebalance treatment will be Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw. These balance updates will be limited to the tuning and balancing of a Champion's existing kit, abilities won’t be added or removed.

    Ronin:

    We’ve taken a look at Ronin’s performance and are happy with his both his performance and his abilities. We will not be making any balance changes to Ronin at this time.

    Cull Obsidian:

    After looking at our data across all the game modes we have determined that Cull Obsidian is out damaging every other high-damage Champion in the game. While he does have his limiting factors, once he's fully ramped up he is able to end fights before even high-level Opponents can do any meaningful damage to him.

    The goal of Cull’s rebalance is to make tuning changes that keeps Cull Obsidian as one of the top damage dealers in-game.

    Ebony Maw:

    You said it and we saw it in the data. Although Ebony Maw is a decent Defender, he is underperforming as an Attacker (the designer said something about his Degeneration DPS being just sad and wrong).

    We are looking to boost both his defensive and offensive potential, but with an emphasis on offense.

    Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw’s balance changes should be live in approximately 3 months.

    These aren't reworks in the formal sense from what I understand. They're minor balances. Older Champs will require more of a rework like Colossus and OML. They're quite intensive, and I suspect preventing that much work is part of the reason they're revisiting newer ones to fill in any gaps and tweak any noticeable issues.
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Posts: 1,552 ★★★★★

    Just a question, but why are newer champions being reworked before older, worse champions?

    MCOC Team said:

    Summoners,

    The next two Champions to get the rebalance treatment will be Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw. These balance updates will be limited to the tuning and balancing of a Champion's existing kit, abilities won’t be added or removed.

    Ronin:

    We’ve taken a look at Ronin’s performance and are happy with his both his performance and his abilities. We will not be making any balance changes to Ronin at this time.

    Cull Obsidian:

    After looking at our data across all the game modes we have determined that Cull Obsidian is out damaging every other high-damage Champion in the game. While he does have his limiting factors, once he's fully ramped up he is able to end fights before even high-level Opponents can do any meaningful damage to him.

    The goal of Cull’s rebalance is to make tuning changes that keeps Cull Obsidian as one of the top damage dealers in-game.

    Ebony Maw:

    You said it and we saw it in the data. Although Ebony Maw is a decent Defender, he is underperforming as an Attacker (the designer said something about his Degeneration DPS being just sad and wrong).

    We are looking to boost both his defensive and offensive potential, but with an emphasis on offense.

    Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw’s balance changes should be live in approximately 3 months.

    These aren't reworks in the formal sense from what I understand. They're minor balances. Older Champs will require more of a rework like Colossus and OML. They're quite intensive, and I suspect preventing that much work is part of the reason they're revisiting newer ones to fill in any gaps and tweak any noticeable issues.
    Since when did minor anything take six months to implement? Especially if you're just addressing damage. You take away Cull's armor breaks and that is a totally different champion. Minor in my opinion will be taking his attack down a couple hundred points, they might even remove his the potency of his sig ability which causes him to have incredible burst damage, who knows.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,770 ★★★★★

    Just a question, but why are newer champions being reworked before older, worse champions?

    MCOC Team said:

    Summoners,

    The next two Champions to get the rebalance treatment will be Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw. These balance updates will be limited to the tuning and balancing of a Champion's existing kit, abilities won’t be added or removed.

    Ronin:

    We’ve taken a look at Ronin’s performance and are happy with his both his performance and his abilities. We will not be making any balance changes to Ronin at this time.

    Cull Obsidian:

    After looking at our data across all the game modes we have determined that Cull Obsidian is out damaging every other high-damage Champion in the game. While he does have his limiting factors, once he's fully ramped up he is able to end fights before even high-level Opponents can do any meaningful damage to him.

    The goal of Cull’s rebalance is to make tuning changes that keeps Cull Obsidian as one of the top damage dealers in-game.

    Ebony Maw:

    You said it and we saw it in the data. Although Ebony Maw is a decent Defender, he is underperforming as an Attacker (the designer said something about his Degeneration DPS being just sad and wrong).

    We are looking to boost both his defensive and offensive potential, but with an emphasis on offense.

    Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw’s balance changes should be live in approximately 3 months.

    These aren't reworks in the formal sense from what I understand. They're minor balances. Older Champs will require more of a rework like Colossus and OML. They're quite intensive, and I suspect preventing that much work is part of the reason they're revisiting newer ones to fill in any gaps and tweak any noticeable issues.
    Since when did minor anything take six months to implement? Especially if you're just addressing damage. You take away Cull's armor breaks and that is a totally different champion. Minor in my opinion will be taking his attack down a couple hundred points, they might even remove his the potency of his sig ability which causes him to have incredible burst damage, who knows.
    If the only thing on their plate was this, I'm sure it wouldn't take as long. Letting us know ahead of time is just being upfront. Just about everything in the game has a process before it makes it's way to our hands.
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