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Gulk Face Me!! Clarification

MachoNachoMachoNacho Member Posts: 373 ★★★
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Ok.. this may be an old discussion but I'm looking for clarification on Gulk's Face Me!!
I've read other posts claiming that it won't activate on Degeneration. For instance the Degeneration Path on Map 6, he won't activate it. I've read some people say it's active degen, others say it simply won't apply to degen, etc.
However, Face Me!! Always activates on Dormmamu's Degen effect. Similar to the node, it's degen, passive overtime damage, and causes direct damage.
So am i missing something?
It would seem it should proc..


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  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,601 ★★★★★
    For some reason all degens besides starburst and dorm seem to be passive for everything apart from gulk’s face me
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Beat explanation you may get...
    Kabam Zibiit said:

    Hey there, I found the answer to your question. This Degeneration from the node is not counted as a passive or active effect, and so wouldn't be altered by any abilities that interact with those types of effects. It can encourage some more aggressive play in a fight [snip]


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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,327 ★★★★★
    MachoNacho said:

    CoatHang3r said:

    Beat explanation you may get...

    Kabam Zibiit said:

    Hey there, I found the answer to your question. This Degeneration from the node is not counted as a passive or active effect, and so wouldn't be altered by any abilities that interact with those types of effects. It can encourage some more aggressive play in a fight [snip]


    So it is not passive or active.... then what is it? Metaphorical? *Taserface reference* lol

    Sorry, just trying to make sense of this using a consistent basis... but there isn't one if the Degen used is simply a category all it's own... seems rather made up to bypass the Face Me!! activation.

    It can't be active, otherwise willpower would proc.

    It can't be passive, because Face Me!! would proc.

    What's left?
    Think of it like Bane.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,327 ★★★★★
    MachoNacho said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    MachoNacho said:

    CoatHang3r said:

    Beat explanation you may get...

    Kabam Zibiit said:

    Hey there, I found the answer to your question. This Degeneration from the node is not counted as a passive or active effect, and so wouldn't be altered by any abilities that interact with those types of effects. It can encourage some more aggressive play in a fight [snip]


    So it is not passive or active.... then what is it? Metaphorical? *Taserface reference* lol

    Sorry, just trying to make sense of this using a consistent basis... but there isn't one if the Degen used is simply a category all it's own... seems rather made up to bypass the Face Me!! activation.

    It can't be active, otherwise willpower would proc.

    It can't be passive, because Face Me!! would proc.

    What's left?
    Think of it like Bane.
    Again...Bane is passive.

    Still doesn't explain why Face Me!!! Would not activate. And doesn't touch base on what is beyond passive and active....
    So....
    Bane isn't passive or active. It's a 3rd category. Not a single champ in the game can prevent bane or the degen you are talking about. There isnt any other way to put it. Kabam Miike has said this before. You won't get any better of a answer at all really.
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  • IvarTheBonelessIvarTheBoneless Member Posts: 1,282 ★★★★
    TheSpicyKnight said:

    On the top of my head the only degens that are passive from nodes are No Retreat, Special Delivery, and Starburst. There's probably more but those are tho common ones.

    Yep, those, emp mod (passive shock) and the new node on electro in variant 4 also came to mind. Crackling energy.
    MachoNacho said:

    That's not an answer. That's a cop out explanation. You're saying it's a third category.... named what? What's it called? Is it simply banned "Third Category?"
    Doubt it. It's a degen effect. Like others in the game. Inconsistent like some others, it doesn't trigger degen. Despite literally being a passive damage over time effect.... which is exactly what activates FACE ME!!!
    Thank you for trying though.

    Again, it's not passive. You're correct saying it's a degen effect but it doesn't say 'passive' anywhere in the node description. It does explicitely say passive in all the other nodes TheSpicyKnight and I mentioned above though. That's the key.

    The bane description reads "place a curse on the opposing champion dealing direct damage". That curse however is neither active or passive, as it deals direct damage. So think of the 3rd category as 'direct damage'. Maybe that will help you wrap your head around the node.

    Btw as an observation: in act 6 there are a lot of nodes that deal direct damage. If they let Ghulk counter bane then he should be able to counter all direct damage from all those act 6 nodes and would be way too OP.

    Best of luck with the bane node!
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