WHY? Just Why???

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  • RU11011RU11011 Member Posts: 880 ★★★★

    _ASDF_ said:

    J0eySn0w said:

    About 80% of summoners report having same issue. If I use every alliance I've joined as a yardstick, everyone complains about getting one of the same class more than the others. And they get them for classes which they have fewer champs. I did too, was getting all mystics but later changed. But in total, I've had more mystics than any other class and they're the weakest class in my entire roster.

    Y'all saying it's RNG, how can it be so for the majority of summoners. Yes, maybe RNG but it follows a certain pattern, period. They can keep on denying all they want but the pattern makes it obvious. You have no idea how my hearts pumps everytime I used to open an AG hoping it's not a mystic. Lol

    Please tell me how you accumulated data for 80% of summoners. Did you account for those with multiple accounts having different experiences? How did you contact them? Any spreadsheets with that data? Did you round up or is it 80% on the mark?

    Super interested in knowing @J0eySn0w I'm on pins and needles here. 80% sure you're making it all up.
    Nice to see you stepped up when GW left the forum. He’s back now. You can stop. We only need one.
    @_ASDF_ make me? Public forum. You can post, i can post and people like @J0eySn0w that choose to make idiotic posts like this can post. If you are allow to comment, I have every right to voice my opinion. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    He said 80% are reporting having the same issue. I'd like to see that data. Has to come from somewhere. Granted I know he is pulling that stat out of the air and it's entirely made up. But hey, it's my right to be able to ask where he gets his information.
    I'm pretty sure they just mean that you're taking the post a bit too seriously. Of course they haven't collected all of that data. It's an overexaggeration.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    edited January 2020
    Not sure how I got dragged into this one. Lol. For that matter, even if you polled Players, you're not looking at chronologically consecutive data because people pull them at different times. Simply put, with a 1 in 6 chance at any outcome, multiples are very likely. We've also seen people that pull a variety of outcomes. Some pull all the same. There's no great mystery. In fact, if anything, it proves the computer doesn't take into account what you pulled last time. It's as fair as it gets. Equal chance at any Class. Anything outside of that isn't really true RNG at all. Just a system that sways outcomes based on other factors. Theoretically you could devise a system that awards one of each, but that's not a roll of chance. That's a sequential algorithm, and the current setup isn't designed for it. You open a Crystal and it generates one of six outcomes. It doesn't take stock of history or inventory.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,254 ★★★★★
    RU11011 said:

    _ASDF_ said:

    J0eySn0w said:

    About 80% of summoners report having same issue. If I use every alliance I've joined as a yardstick, everyone complains about getting one of the same class more than the others. And they get them for classes which they have fewer champs. I did too, was getting all mystics but later changed. But in total, I've had more mystics than any other class and they're the weakest class in my entire roster.

    Y'all saying it's RNG, how can it be so for the majority of summoners. Yes, maybe RNG but it follows a certain pattern, period. They can keep on denying all they want but the pattern makes it obvious. You have no idea how my hearts pumps everytime I used to open an AG hoping it's not a mystic. Lol

    Please tell me how you accumulated data for 80% of summoners. Did you account for those with multiple accounts having different experiences? How did you contact them? Any spreadsheets with that data? Did you round up or is it 80% on the mark?

    Super interested in knowing @J0eySn0w I'm on pins and needles here. 80% sure you're making it all up.
    Nice to see you stepped up when GW left the forum. He’s back now. You can stop. We only need one.
    @_ASDF_ make me? Public forum. You can post, i can post and people like @J0eySn0w that choose to make idiotic posts like this can post. If you are allow to comment, I have every right to voice my opinion. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    He said 80% are reporting having the same issue. I'd like to see that data. Has to come from somewhere. Granted I know he is pulling that stat out of the air and it's entirely made up. But hey, it's my right to be able to ask where he gets his information.
    I'm pretty sure they just mean that you're taking the post a bit too seriously. Of course they haven't collected all of that data. It's an overexaggeration.
    It goes way beyond that.
  • J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Member Posts: 980 ★★★★
    edited January 2020

    _ASDF_ said:

    J0eySn0w said:

    About 80% of summoners report having same issue. If I use every alliance I've joined as a yardstick, everyone complains about getting one of the same class more than the others. And they get them for classes which they have fewer champs. I did too, was getting all mystics but later changed. But in total, I've had more mystics than any other class and they're the weakest class in my entire roster.

    Y'all saying it's RNG, how can it be so for the majority of summoners. Yes, maybe RNG but it follows a certain pattern, period. They can keep on denying all they want but the pattern makes it obvious. You have no idea how my hearts pumps everytime I used to open an AG hoping it's not a mystic. Lol

    Please tell me how you accumulated data for 80% of summoners. Did you account for those with multiple accounts having different experiences? How did you contact them? Any spreadsheets with that data? Did you round up or is it 80% on the mark?

    Super interested in knowing @J0eySn0w I'm on pins and needles here. 80% sure you're making it all up.
    Nice to see you stepped up when GW left the forum. He’s back now. You can stop. We only need one.
    @_ASDF_ make me? Public forum. You can post, i can post and people like @J0eySn0w that choose to make idiotic posts like this can post. If you are allow to comment, I have every right to voice my opinion. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    He said 80% are reporting having the same issue. I'd like to see that data. Has to come from somewhere. Granted I know he is pulling that stat out of the air and it's entirely made up. But hey, it's my right to be able to ask where he gets his information.

    The same right you have to make insulting comments is the same right I have to estimate a figure based on the complaints I've seen my various alliances. Majority seem to complain about this same issue. Like I said in my initial post, I used my alliances as the yardstick, almost everyone seem to have the same issue. And I even added again, the odds have even changed for me over time. Seems this is World Cup to you! If you and your team members experience quite the opposite, that's fine. Feel free to share your experience! Oh the spreadsheets... send it to your email. Check your spam if you're having issues locating it.
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  • KerneasKerneas Member Posts: 3,837 ★★★★★
    That's how it works. 1/6 chance is not that small. I for example need Skill. So far I have opened 7 AG crystals. I got 2 Science, 2 Mutant and 3 tech. But that is perfectly ok and fair.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,254 ★★★★★
    J0eySn0w said:

    _ASDF_ said:

    J0eySn0w said:

    About 80% of summoners report having same issue. If I use every alliance I've joined as a yardstick, everyone complains about getting one of the same class more than the others. And they get them for classes which they have fewer champs. I did too, was getting all mystics but later changed. But in total, I've had more mystics than any other class and they're the weakest class in my entire roster.

    Y'all saying it's RNG, how can it be so for the majority of summoners. Yes, maybe RNG but it follows a certain pattern, period. They can keep on denying all they want but the pattern makes it obvious. You have no idea how my hearts pumps everytime I used to open an AG hoping it's not a mystic. Lol

    Please tell me how you accumulated data for 80% of summoners. Did you account for those with multiple accounts having different experiences? How did you contact them? Any spreadsheets with that data? Did you round up or is it 80% on the mark?

    Super interested in knowing @J0eySn0w I'm on pins and needles here. 80% sure you're making it all up.
    Nice to see you stepped up when GW left the forum. He’s back now. You can stop. We only need one.
    @_ASDF_ make me? Public forum. You can post, i can post and people like @J0eySn0w that choose to make idiotic posts like this can post. If you are allow to comment, I have every right to voice my opinion. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    He said 80% are reporting having the same issue. I'd like to see that data. Has to come from somewhere. Granted I know he is pulling that stat out of the air and it's entirely made up. But hey, it's my right to be able to ask where he gets his information.

    The same right you have to make insulting comments is the same right I have to estimate a figure based on the complaints I've seen my various alliances. Majority seem to complain about this same issue. Like I said in my initial post, I used my alliances as the yardstick, almost everyone seem to have the same issue. And I even added again, the odds have even changed for me over time. Seems this is World Cup to you! If you and your team members experience quite the opposite, that's fine. Feel free to share your experience! Oh the spreadsheets... send it to your email. Check your spam if you're having issues locating it.
    "80% of summoners". This statement assumes you mean 80% of all players, not 80% of however many alliances you've been in. Even if you take 80% of those alliances, your still only maybe looking at less than 1% of the real player base. They complain because they didn't get what they wanted.

    On top of that, there is no issue. You have a 1 in 6 chance to pull the same class. The odds are always the same. They don't change, ever.

    I've pulled every class but mutant so far. I've pulled 1 skill, 2 or 3 mystic, 2 or 3 science, 4 tech and 1 or 2 cosmic. These are normal results. It's even possible pull only pull all of the same class. Again, there is no issue other than players not understanding probability.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,254 ★★★★★
    _ASDF_ said:

    RU11011 said:

    _ASDF_ said:

    J0eySn0w said:

    About 80% of summoners report having same issue. If I use every alliance I've joined as a yardstick, everyone complains about getting one of the same class more than the others. And they get them for classes which they have fewer champs. I did too, was getting all mystics but later changed. But in total, I've had more mystics than any other class and they're the weakest class in my entire roster.

    Y'all saying it's RNG, how can it be so for the majority of summoners. Yes, maybe RNG but it follows a certain pattern, period. They can keep on denying all they want but the pattern makes it obvious. You have no idea how my hearts pumps everytime I used to open an AG hoping it's not a mystic. Lol

    Please tell me how you accumulated data for 80% of summoners. Did you account for those with multiple accounts having different experiences? How did you contact them? Any spreadsheets with that data? Did you round up or is it 80% on the mark?

    Super interested in knowing @J0eySn0w I'm on pins and needles here. 80% sure you're making it all up.
    Nice to see you stepped up when GW left the forum. He’s back now. You can stop. We only need one.
    @_ASDF_ make me? Public forum. You can post, i can post and people like @J0eySn0w that choose to make idiotic posts like this can post. If you are allow to comment, I have every right to voice my opinion. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    He said 80% are reporting having the same issue. I'd like to see that data. Has to come from somewhere. Granted I know he is pulling that stat out of the air and it's entirely made up. But hey, it's my right to be able to ask where he gets his information.
    I'm pretty sure they just mean that you're taking the post a bit too seriously. Of course they haven't collected all of that data. It's an overexaggeration.
    It goes way beyond that.
    No your just taking up the mantle of defending all things kabam in every thread from every frustrated player. You were all over the Champion Spotlights defending the mediocre balances for cull and namor. All over the general posts. It’s just tiring and really a waste of everyone’s time. 🤷‍♂️ Even if someone compiled the data you’d have a problem with it because by default your consistently in defense of kabam. *yawn*
    So don't read my comments. Put me on ignore. You're always against Kabam and yet you play the game still and come here to whine all the time. If you can do that, I can comment how I want, when I want.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,254 ★★★★★
    _ASDF_ said:

    Could any you conspiracy nutjobs tell me how, even if 80% or even 90% of your in-game mates share your experiences, even without taking the experiences to the contrary shared in this thread into account, how could you ever distinguish that from simple rng...?

    Do you genuinely not understand that every ag crystal is quite literally like rolling a standard die? Do you people genuinely think that rolling a 6 literally becomes less likely after rolling a 6?

    I'm all up for freedom of speech. But I'm also an open advocate of ridiculing those who use their freedom of speech to spout what is objectively nonsense.

    Yes, you can have an opinion. No, not every opinion is equally valid. Yes, an opinion can be objectively incorrect.

    Your assuming that RNG is truly random. That’s nuts. Kabam doesn’t leave their profit to randomness.

    “RNG” created for profit is inherently biased. Should be objectively obvious to someone as astute as yourself.
    So prove that it's not in this game.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,254 ★★★★★
    edited January 2020
    _ASDF_ said:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Could any you conspiracy nutjobs tell me how, even if 80% or even 90% of your in-game mates share your experiences, even without taking the experiences to the contrary shared in this thread into account, how could you ever distinguish that from simple rng...?

    Do you genuinely not understand that every ag crystal is quite literally like rolling a standard die? Do you people genuinely think that rolling a 6 literally becomes less likely after rolling a 6?

    I'm all up for freedom of speech. But I'm also an open advocate of ridiculing those who use their freedom of speech to spout what is objectively nonsense.

    Yes, you can have an opinion. No, not every opinion is equally valid. Yes, an opinion can be objectively incorrect.

    Your assuming that RNG is truly random. That’s nuts. Kabam doesn’t leave their profit to randomness.

    “RNG” created for profit is inherently biased. Should be objectively obvious to someone as astute as yourself.
    So prove that it's not in this game.
    I don’t have too. Unless kabam has the first quantum computer, and changes it’s intent as a company to be completely altruistic.... I’m 100% correct and my statements are irrefutable. 🤷‍♂️
    Of course this is your answer. Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist. "ItS NoT RnG!" Prove it... " I dOn'T hAvE tO hAvE rEaL dAtA oR FaCtS".

    Ridiculous.

    I bet you think the world is flat and Dez didn't catch it.
  • Aomine_Daiki10Aomine_Daiki10 Member Posts: 1,653 ★★★★★
    Its pure RNG have spined 4 and gotten 4 different class
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