A long chat about roster and skill, and how they relate

FRITO_Man

TLDR: I Believe personally that roster, slightly(like 5-10%) edges out skill in endgame content

Looking at this, you might call me a heretic. But why? See Swedeah who uses Civil Warrior, Kamala Khan, and Rogue in AW all the time. Swedeah solos the grand master with Howard the Duck, LOL Maestro with X-23

Hear me out here. The problem with this belief is that most champions have a risk and reward return payoff. Risk being how hard it is to get them to their max potential, and reward being either utility(immunities, power control, etc) or those big nice-looking yellow numbers. Swedeah somehow manages to get Kamala and Rogue to their max potential, since he has the skills to do so and gets the most benefit out of it. However, for most of the player base, a corvus or nick fury or a blade or someone sustainable would help miles over kamala or rogue, even though we see swedeah's videos where he screws over the hardest opponents, since we can't use their best potential. Another thing that I could tie into is the "is this character underrated?". I see answers such as Crossbones, Psylocke, or even Taskmaster. But the problem with this assumption is that the person behind the screen can actually play with those people. Taskmaster and Psylocke are certainly not the easiest champions for a new player to learn and crush content with, and thus are delegated as "memes" or "trashmaster" even though they are not and have crazy potential.

Thus, we also have true memes that screw over players. No matter what, and I'm pretty sure Swedeah might make a video using this meme, but no one is going to use groot in high level content such as act 6 or LOL, AOL or maybe even Act 5. No one is going to use puny-hands unstoppable colossus when we have the real and much better colossus. No one is using naked Abomination when we have much better Banner's to use. Why? Because the reward for playing Gladiator Hulk over Abomb, Starlord over Groot, Colossus over Unstoppable Colossus is so much more and much more rewarding than using those memes

In summary, I choose roster over skill just because we have so many memes in this game, with around 1/4th to a 1/3rd of them basically unusable in endgame content and that for me equates around 5% over pure skill of the player

Lvernon15

Until act 6 and abyss a skilled player could get everything done with lesser chanps, but the abyss hit cap means champs need solid damage, and all the super specific new nodes like caustic temper and thunderstruck mean you need a strong roster now, skill alone doesn’t cut it

lowlevelplayer

Lvernon15 said:

Until act 6 and abyss a skilled player could get everything done with lesser chanps, but the abyss hit cap means champs need solid damage, and all the super specific new nodes like caustic temper and thunderstruck mean you need a strong roster now, skill alone doesn’t cut it

pretty much what I was going to say, until I remembered some people don't like me to comment on things "above my level"

Ngoalong711

why do i have to do 200 hits with groot instead of 20 hits with Corvus Glaive? 1 or 2 hard fights with meme champions is fun but have to do the whole lane with King groot? No thanks

Kevo9513

Champions make a huge difference. I was using a lot of units and stuff to get through content. I used so much money to become uncollected and after pulling 5* quake mainly I became cavalier unit less. It took skill to learn but without the champ in the first place... I wouldn’t even bother trying.

Ycats

The champs you mention that Swedeah play with all have a simple play style for the most part especially x-23, he is still a really good player but it definitely takes more skill to use someone like quake effectively than say rogue.

But getting back to the point you seem to be using very extreme examples, champs like abomination or groot are pretty bad and a majority of players won't use them but in this day and age there are plenty of champs who are usable in endgame content if you are decent. 90% of champs in this are very simple to play, you might have to adjust your play style occasionally but most of the time it's the same thing. In fact looking on the forum there are several post with with 4/55 champs struggling in act 5. I actually rank 4 taskmaster as a counter against a Magik in 6.2, most people probably wouldn't have done this but if you recognize what your roster needs and have enough

I'd say that there's no clear distinction of roster or skill being more important and it's a combination of several different factors. Sure a better roster with champs like aegon and ghost would make life much easier but if you don't have the skill then let's just say you'll be spending a lot more money than someone with it.

Burro

I’ve seen plenty of players that have monster rosters but are absolutely terrible at the game. My alliance has had several join us and within a day or 2 of AQ or an AW or 2 we quickly realize that they’ve either bought their way through a lot of content or the bought an account. Having a strong roster helps a lot, however, it can’t solve everything if you don’t have the skill.