Map 5 Human Torch 2nd Mini

Rigid

This guy is way to difficult for for a map 5 mini. The 7 second buffet really is too much.

I know there a few ways to get passed him but honestly compared to the other map 5 minis and even the map 6 minis he is overpowererd on that node.

Daddrieda

Yeah, need something like Aegon to keep dealing block damage

Red Hulk that will convert the incinerate to heat charge literally makes him “immune”.

Clairvoyant can work, but need to be fast to reach Curse Of hell phase to remain incinerate immune before HT’s incinerate takes you down because the Hell phase would do ok to deal enough burst damage sp2 to overdamage the buffet healing.

I’m sure there are more

Thanks_D19

Void is the perfect option for that fight, he can just reverse the regen and easy game easy life, you can also use quake she gets an easy solo except when mod is tranquility, big damage champions can get it down, for example namor works well, I have seen people do it with stark Spider-Man and stealth, and that is all I can think of for now

Thanks_D19

Daddrieda said:

Yeah, need something like Aegon to keep dealing block damage

Red Hulk that will convert the incinerate to heat charge literally makes him “immune”.

Clairvoyant can work, but need to be fast to reach Curse Of hell phase to remain incinerate immune before HT’s incinerate takes you down because the Hell phase would do ok to deal enough burst damage sp2 to overdamage the buffet healing.

I’m sure there are more

Claire doesn’t work he has a node where when he has 7 smoulder and 20 temperature he will go into nova flame and nova flames will murder Claire and she will get him to those thresholds because she is a mystic

Havanaknight

Definitely the hardest of the 3 map 5 minis. Would be nice if they just took off the bleed immunity. The obvious choice is void. I haven’t personally tried it, but warlock can passive heal block, so that could work too. I’ve been most successful with Red Hulk. They key though is to just suck it up and take the block damage on specials to avoid dexing.

Timone147

Quake works for him well.

I just recently dialed back to a retirement alliance and have found she easily takes both HT minis

Sleipnirrod

Void work pretty good for me

FlavorFlave

Thing is immune to nullify and therefore buffet, so no regen to deal with

Imran

FlavorFlave said:

Thing is immune to nullify and therefore buffet, so no regen to deal with

Yah, but first u need a thing.

Championcritic

Daddrieda said:

Yeah, need something like Aegon to keep dealing block damage

Red Hulk that will convert the incinerate to heat charge literally makes him “immune”.

Clairvoyant can work, but need to be fast to reach Curse Of hell phase to remain incinerate immune before HT’s incinerate takes you down because the Hell phase would do ok to deal enough burst damage sp2 to overdamage the buffet healing.

I’m sure there are more

This is not the best advice lol. BWCV is terrible because its gonna accelerate human torch getting smoulder charges, not to mention for AQ HT has a local node that lets him go nova form for some seconds after he has 7 shoulders, so hitting him anymore with BWCV after that is going to give BWCV nova flames which she will not be immune to and eventually kill her. Red hulk works yes, but its no different from how any other champ has to play haha. You are right that red hulk at least will have an easier time dealing with the incinerates though.

Neotwism

I just use corvus and spend the 6 units to turn dex off for the fight. It's cheaper than a health pot.

Cosagorn

We dont remove the 1% recovery node and take down the miniboss with CapIW (cosmic and techno in team and only parry). 55 seconds, 0 hit KO. Maybe it helps.

Rigid

I'm not saying their isn't counters but difficulty level compared to other minis is a bit much.

Agent_X_zzz

Daddrieda said:

Yeah, need something like Aegon to keep dealing block damage

Red Hulk that will convert the incinerate to heat charge literally makes him “immune”.

Clairvoyant can work, but need to be fast to reach Curse Of hell phase to remain incinerate immune before HT’s incinerate takes you down because the Hell phase would do ok to deal enough burst damage sp2 to overdamage the buffet healing.

I’m sure there are more

Using claire is not a good option you will lose 60% health before you reach curse of hell, I have used Quake, NF and namor all

Anonymous346

I got him down with my 5/65 blade, built up to 3 bars so the incinerates were essentially irrelevant then just fought it like a normal fight. Finished with 50% health but it was only day 1

MightyDZA

Wasn't one of the points that most were arguing for in basically every complaint ever to somehow lessen the reliance on specific champs? Basically it's Void or bust. Seems counterintuitive. Just saying.

Rigid

Yeah, if you don't have one of the counters mentioned you just heal him.

Having a good counter should make him easier but shouldn't prevent people with other champs from killing him.

The heal is to often and too high.

TrubluMate

I use Havok or Void. Void to reverse regen.
Havok is more technical, but it involves a lot of parry, very few hits except 1 sp1 (speeds up plasma), then only heavy’s to keep feedback on until sp3, then dead.
Every time you parry you get another plasma and he takes reduced energy damage.
But obviously if you hit torch too much his smoulders go up.

Kill_Grey

HaVOk

Kill_Grey

Look, there are already a few threads on this, you can search for them, and you'll find a good number of tips on the matter.

Kill_Grey

LucianoDelHoya said:

Hence why Void is the best of the best for that matchup... you can more or less fight it like a normal fight, hence Havok SP1 heavies SP3... and CAPiw Parry heavy method... again its unorthodox. So void is like made for that fight, Immune to Incinerate so smoulder build up doing matter...

Luciano

You don't need to throw SP 1 with havok, just block everything. His energy resist basically means half damage on everything you take, and free plasma gain as well.

Neotwism

Rigid said:

Yeah, if you don't have one of the counters mentioned you just heal him.

Having a good counter should make him easier but shouldn't prevent people with other champs from killing him.

The heal is to often and too high.

If u turn off dex u can use any champ to face him.

YorkshireLad

I use Stark Spidy.
Parry 5 hit combo, then build poise with occasional hit to build HT to his L1.
He will regen each time you dex to build your poise to 7 or 8 but he’s 100% health at this point anyway.
Auto evade will help dodge specials & your damage output overpowers any regen.
Can easily 1 shot HT on day 5

gage201205

This guy needs the buffet took off.. one mess up and that's 28k health Regen.. Very limited options and pretty tough for map 5 mini boss

Kill_Grey

I just use havok, block block block all day
I've got a recent rank 4 void, but haven't tested him yet because my alliance hasn't done map 5 for a while.

Pulyaman

I am looking forward to the crying when we have g2099 as miniboss. That block damage is doing to be massive

Anurag1606

Max Sig cap with skill on team. Heavy parry sp3 heavy parry till death. Take sp1 on block, cap doesn't take much damage. Any incinerate he gets, gets shrugged. I take him everytime in AQ. But gotta agree that not everyone can have a max Sig cap.