In my opinion

J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
edited October 2020 in General Discussion
Attempting to nerf backdraft intercepting broke the game. Changing recovery time off the block and wall has affected every champ and mode negatively. With different animations, different dash spacing, and overall champ design (size, how much space they take up, etc), there was NO way that a fix such as described could have been a one all. And it seems as though as you try and balance this between all the different champs, the game breaks more. Parry is unreliable as ever. Not to mention every bug imaginable. In my opinion, u saw something that players adapted as a threat to your business. I quit the game last time because of the bugs it brought about. And it's getting worse as time goes on

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  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,948 ★★★★★
    they nerfed backdraft intercepts when did this happen
  • Artoria77Artoria77 Member Posts: 2,550 ★★★★★
    Your opinion is TrAsH
    Jk

    Question, how is parry unreliable?
    Is this like an endgame thing with block damage or am I just not in my element anymore 🥴
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  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Member Posts: 2,678 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020
    Ive had no problems reliably backdrafting. Reasonably long fights too.
  • J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
    1. Stop trying to black wall me by ignoring the main subject or making snide comments. The better players know what im talking about
    2. You have no idea what I mean fluffy paws so try again. Yes you can do the modified backdraft but thats not true backdrafting. And you can't tell me you can do it reliably after hitting into their block because...
    3. You all have no idea what I mean. You weren't here beforehand obviosuly and if you were you are ignorant to the changes. They did not make the a.i. more passive (or so they claim that they never change a.i.. the passive
    stuff came later than this nerf). When you backdraft and miss the timing and hit into their block you were still able to back up and intercept. Now the a.i. recovers faster after hitting their block and off the wall and after a special. Means they can dash faster. Hence, nerfing it from its 100% guaranteed intercepting to what we have now
    4. This increased recovery and faster dashing capabilities have affected the game. Try and argue but it's true
  • J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
    And these changes were stated by kabam as their way of "fixing" what was perceived as a problem. It was in ORANGE writing
  • Artoria77Artoria77 Member Posts: 2,550 ★★★★★
    Woah woah calm down.
    You may as well start living with it as it won't change anytime soon.
    You creating a thread won't do shite to change anything.

    I'm terrible at intercepting so I wouldn't know 🤷‍♂️
  • Starlord27Starlord27 Member Posts: 50
    Been this way since the month they released Nick Fury. You can 4 hit combo intercept someone that way, but no longer able to hit twice into the block - dash out - dash in to intercept. The AI is already at your feet by the time you are dashing in to intercept. There’s a guy on YouTube who made the clip of the change (unless it’s been taken down...because of, well Kabam).

    Watch any footage from Magik back in the day and she just used to destroy people through intercepting when they were blocking against the wall using the method mentioned above. Pretty clear it’s changed and it is a huge issue. But ah well
  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,103 ★★★★★
    you definitely can't backdraft reliably like you used to, but it was never 100%. I remember even using my 4* SL in lab years ago getting smashed trying to backdraft. It was more reliable then, but never 100%. Also, what's the parry issue? i haven't seen that
  • J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
    Unio77, i ignored your joke. And comment...because parry is absolutely unreliable. Not only does it not connect when it should, sometimes "parry" pops up in green om the screen and there is no stun and no AA reduction in play
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,671 ★★★★★
    I think saying it’s broken the game is a stretch to be honest. I don’t see how it’s affected every game mode negatively as you say.
  • YcatsYcats Member Posts: 146 ★★
    It seems like you're making correlations between things when there are no correlations. I don't know how you figured that the change to backdraft intercepts which occurred quite a while ago affect's anything happening now.
  • Artoria77Artoria77 Member Posts: 2,550 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020

    Unio77, i ignored your joke. And comment...because parry is absolutely unreliable. Not only does it not connect when it should, sometimes "parry" pops up in green om the screen and there is no stun and no AA reduction in play

    This legit is the first time I'm hearing of this.
    The only party problem I know of is with the Magneto (House of X) pre-fight ability.

    If parry is not issuing the stun or parry is not applying when you parry then you should put in a ticket. Have you put in a ticket?
  • J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
    And this is the problem. There are posts. Videos. All types of things. And yet you guys are telling me you know better? You don't think there have been tickets upon tickets and videos about this? Man you guys pop up in here for no reason to have someone to talk to. Go to the bugs and known issues and thumb through that. Not this discussion forum
  • J_jones_41389J_jones_41389 Member Posts: 87
    Click on the rich the man video in the thread above or below this one. Enough said.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★
    All the people saying backdrafts are fine, go watch gameplay from before april 2019, and show me someone reliably backdrafting from hitting the opponent’s block like you could back then
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,671 ★★★★★
    Have you seen how many insightful’s @Unio77 has? Of course he knows better.
  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 891 ★★★
    I intercept regularly, whether it’s backdrafting, stand up, or just dash intercepting in the middle of the screen. All of them. Yes the opponent may be more passive but that’s not backdrafting, that’s just generally. You’re either too early on your backdrafting so you don’t wait for the opponent (and you don’t see them blocking) or you’re too late and they see your dash from a mile away.

    Either way, that’s my experience and I haven’t noticed many changes. But your experience could be different
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  • Starlord27Starlord27 Member Posts: 50
    Lvernon15 said:

    All the people saying backdrafts are fine, go watch gameplay from before april 2019, and show me someone reliably backdrafting from hitting the opponent’s block like you could back then

    This guy gets it
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  • Starlord27Starlord27 Member Posts: 50
    https://youtu.be/U9f7MZF-Y0k

    Watch from 0:42. I’m not talking about the missed light attacks whilst Magik is dashing back. We are simply referring to the now inability to dash out and back in after hitting into the block. You hit into the block twice and dash out in today’s game, the defender is at your feet and you can’t intercept them. If anyone has gameplay of them being able to do it in today’s game then please do show it.

    Must be a 2 hit into the block intercept. I get that you can somewhat do it by light attacking and getting lucky. Kabam aren’t looking into this because it no doubt helps there wallets (potentially ignorant claim I know)
  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,103 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Unio77, i ignored your joke. And comment...because parry is absolutely unreliable. Not only does it not connect when it should, sometimes "parry" pops up in green om the screen and there is no stun and no AA reduction in play

    Not to sound like I don't believe you , but I've never had a scenario where parry pops up and not stun unless a valid reason
    same
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Nowadays, there are literally only 2 Champs that I know through research that can reliably draft back from the opponent blocking. Darkhawk, and g2099. With darkhawk, it's like the old days, but with g99, you'd have to do 2 hits and go for the intercept only with a light attack. It takes a lot of practice to do so.

    Back in the day, backdraft was something almost every champion could consistently do freely. Nowadays, draft backs with medium attacks can risk you getting intercepted by your opponent, and draft backs with your light attack can lead to you missing your light attack due to late reaction from the AI. Guess what happens next...

    As for any backdrafts from blocking, they are completely unreliable. As for the examples I mentioned above, it is only about a 95% success rate.
  • HolrosHolros Member Posts: 370 ★★★

    Unio77, i ignored your joke. And comment...because parry is absolutely unreliable. Not only does it not connect when it should, sometimes "parry" pops up in green om the screen and there is no stun and no AA reduction in play

    This has happened to me twice,I parried, the text appeared but nothing happened and there was no node in play
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