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  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    I think you should try domino more...i think you are not much familiar with her

    Yeah, I've played around with her quite a bunch. Used her in AQ and act 5 exploration back in the day. But archangel is just... another level, imo.
  • ahmm474756ahmm474756 Member Posts: 86
    Kill_Grey said:

    I think you should try domino more...i think you are not much familiar with her

    Yeah, I've played around with her quite a bunch. Used her in AQ and act 5 exploration back in the day. But archangel is just... another level, imo.
    Imo?noted
  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Member Posts: 2,678 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020

    I think you should try domino more...i think you are not much familiar with her

    I am very fimilar with Domino. She was one of my first rank 5 4*s. And my second r4 5*. I do think she is a good champ. Her damage is very good if the rng is right. Sometimes I've fired off an sp2 and rng is on my side, big yellow numbers, crit bleeds, yay. Her AAR has saved me sometimes, when I've parried BPCW on accident and the stun didn't reflect.
    Other times it's been very lackluster. Her damage and AAR isn't consistent. And I hate her evade. Hate it.

    Maybe you should try Archangel more
  • WRIRWRIR Member Posts: 563 ★★★

    Mutant: diablo after he mutated
    Skill: diablo (its rlly hard to be THAT intoxicated
    Science: diablo drank so much that he started mixing alcohol (science)
    Mystic: do i really need to say anything
    Cosmic: diablo drank so much that he started seeing stars so he became a star
    Tech: diablo invented a machine that automatically poured alcohol into his mouth

    🙂🙂


  • KerneasKerneas Member Posts: 3,825 ★★★★★
    Omega and Corvus shine only with suicides.
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  • ahmm474756ahmm474756 Member Posts: 86

    I think you should try domino more...i think you are not much familiar with her

    I am very fimilar with Domino. She was one of my first rank 5 4*s. And my second r4 5*. I do think she is a good champ. Her damage is very good if the rng is right. Sometimes I've fired off an sp2 and rng is on my side, big yellow numbers, crit bleeds, yay. Her AAR has saved me sometimes, when I've parried BPCW on accident and the stun didn't reflect.
    Other times it's been very lackluster. Her damage and AAR isn't consistent. And I hate her evade. Hate it.

    Maybe you should try Archangel more
    Archy was my 4th or 5th 5 star rank 5....and at this time...i have 37 5 stars rank 5.....i am familiar with him...he has good poison and bleed...but i like domino more
  • SneakyWarriorSneakyWarrior Member Posts: 853 ★★★★
    Kerneas said:

    Omega and Corvus shine only with suicides.

    i cant say for corvus but omega is still a beast without suicides providing you have him at sig200. its a big investment but i believe that its worth it, because that spore damage ticks off so much health. i have used him quite a fair bit in act six exploration so far simply because he doesnt need to hit the opponent, unless you have to reapply the degen to lock your spores in or sp2 deathfield.
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    Did I say 50 nodes? I meant hundreds.
  • SneakyWarriorSneakyWarrior Member Posts: 853 ★★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
  • SneakyWarriorSneakyWarrior Member Posts: 853 ★★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    colossus can also handle insane regen. he wrecks rolverine and v3 kang which are some examples of big regen i can think of.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★

    I think y'all should place domino in place of archangel...definitely better than him imo

    Ok, now that is just way too far
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
  • SneakyWarriorSneakyWarrior Member Posts: 853 ★★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    ok so he isnt that compatible with suicides so thats not mastery dependant then. i think you mean synergy dependant.
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  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    I use col with suicides all the time. Stop arguing over a champ you clearly have no knowledge about
    "Clearly have no knowledge about" meaning?

    With the way you're seemingly devaluing AA, looks like it's him you have no knowledge about.

    And for the fact you use Colossus with suicides "all the time" doesn't make him any less hampered by it, and it doesn't make him take any less damage from recoil either.
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Ugh, my comments keep going for approval.
  • SneakyWarriorSneakyWarrior Member Posts: 853 ★★★★
    edited October 2020
    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    I use col with suicides all the time. Stop arguing over a champ you clearly have no knowledge about
    "Clearly have no knowledge about" meaning?

    With the way you're seemingly devaluing AA, looks like it's him you have no knowledge about.

    And for the fact you use Colossus with suicides "all the time" doesn't make him any less hampered by it, and it doesn't make him take any less damage from recoil either.
    do you even have a maxed out col? he doesnt exactly need to throw specials. its just icing on the cake after some big heavy attack damage. he also has a hard hitting sp3, so i think he would be quite great with suicides.
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  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    I use col with suicides all the time. Stop arguing over a champ you clearly have no knowledge about
    "Clearly have no knowledge about" meaning?

    With the way you're seemingly devaluing AA, looks like it's him you have no knowledge about.

    And for the fact you use Colossus with suicides "all the time" doesn't make him any less hampered by it, and it doesn't make him take any less damage from recoil either.
    do you even have a maxed out col? he doesnt exactly need to throw specials. its just icing on the cake after some big heavy attack damage. he also has a hard hitting sp3, so i think he would be quite great with suicides.
    I'm aware he doesn't need specials. Also, I don't have a 5* unfortunately, lol. I'm just thinking along the lines of areas where he can't simply end a fight with special 2. Places where he doesn't have his synergies, or places that limit your armor gain. Under scenarios where he's unawakened, it could be a bit hectic as well. Against 6.3/4 healthpools, I'm not sure how a rank 5 Colossus would fare without synergies and with suicides and how sustainable a path clearer he'd be with recoil at play.

    Somebody let me kmow.
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  • KerneasKerneas Member Posts: 3,825 ★★★★★

    Kerneas said:

    Omega and Corvus shine only with suicides.

    i cant say for corvus but omega is still a beast without suicides providing you have him at sig200. its a big investment but i believe that its worth it, because that spore damage ticks off so much health. i have used him quite a fair bit in act six exploration so far simply because he doesnt need to hit the opponent, unless you have to reapply the degen to lock your spores in or sp2 deathfield.
    Still he reaches like 40% of his suicide damage (unless he bleeds through other means)
  • RockypantherxRockypantherx Member Posts: 3,915 ★★★★★
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    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    I use col with suicides all the time. Stop arguing over a champ you clearly have no knowledge about
    "Clearly have no knowledge about" meaning?

    With the way you're seemingly devaluing AA, looks like it's him you have no knowledge about.

    And for the fact you use Colossus with suicides "all the time" doesn't make him any less hampered by it, and it doesn't make him take any less damage from recoil either.
    do you even have a maxed out col? he doesnt exactly need to throw specials. its just icing on the cake after some big heavy attack damage. he also has a hard hitting sp3, so i think he would be quite great with suicides.
    I'm aware he doesn't need specials. Also, I don't have a 5* unfortunately, lol. I'm just thinking along the lines of areas where he can't simply end a fight with special 2. Places where he doesn't have his synergies, or places that limit your armor gain. Under scenarios where he's unawakened, it could be a bit hectic as well. Against 6.3/4 healthpools, I'm not sure how a rank 5 Colossus would fare without synergies and with suicides and how sustainable a path clearer he'd be with recoil at play.

    Somebody let me kmow.
    I wasn’t running suicides but barely used my R5 in Act 6 at all. I’m in agreement with you, I would trade my colossus for an archangel in a heartbeat
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Bruh, can't even get my comments through :(
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Member Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Monke said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lets get the easy classes that need no explaining out of the way first
    Morningstar
    Ghost
    Quake.
    Now comes the tough part
    Aegon wins it for me in skill but it is for sure close with fury. But this idea that aegon only shines in content like lol and abyss is so so wrong, hes great for aq. Hes great for act 6. Ive seen some good **** from aw even tho i dont really use him mucj there myself. Just a overall great champ that gets ridicilous as quests go on.

    Mutant is another tough one and im sure most people will have a hard time picking between the obvious top 3 but for me the best is colossus. He is such a tank. Probably the hardest hitting champ in the game right now. Tripple immunity and synergies well with other great champs that can cover things he wouldnt be the best option for.

    Another class where people seem to agree widely on the top 3 is cosmics. For me tho its always been Hyperion. Dude got crazy dmg. Hes poison immune. Got a very underrated regen and then theres that crazy power gain which just makes it so easy to play around all sorts of nodes. Still one of the more fun champs to play and i badly wish they would realease him as a 6* already

    Obvious top 3 mutants being?
    Mags, Colossus, and Omega
    Many (yes you too) would argue Archangel makes it a top 4
    I would just put it as "top 4" kind of argument. If you've played with all of them, you wouldn't even think of relegating archangel to the no. 4 spot without any reasonable argument. His abilities (particularly his sig) technically gives him more utility than the rest.
    Nobody is saying AA isnt a great champ. But he is not at the same level as the other 3
    In the match-ups where the opponent can be bled and posioned, Archangel is definitely on par with the others. People say he is match-up specific, but what about Magneto? These match-ups aren't even hard to come across. So for the sake of comparison, shouldn't we assume everyone is in their ideal fight? Archangel can definitely hang at the top with the other 3.
    He is closer to magneto then the other 2 for sure. Thing is tho almost any fight AA can take better or not col and omega can take aswell. The same cant be said the other way around and thats where the dif is. Like i said AA is a great champ. But he isnt on their level. Also magneto isnt only good against metal champs but ofc he will shine way more against them
    OR and Colossus don't have practically infinite AAR, and neither can they shut down insane Regen. They cannot handle diss track, and basically 50 other nodes like AA can. There's many, many other arguments that can be made. But AA is definitely at their level. OR and Colossus are also quite mastery-dependent, while AA doesn't care.
    hows colossus mastery-dependant? omega to some extent is mastery dependent (depends if you dont mind finishing fights slower without suicides) but colossus to the best of my knowledge only needs parry and dex.
    Colossus isn't particularly great with suicides due to his reliance on specials. Without synergies, anyway.
    I use col with suicides all the time. Stop arguing over a champ you clearly have no knowledge about
    "Clearly have no knowledge about" meaning?

    With the way you're seemingly devaluing AA, looks like it's him you have no knowledge about.

    And for the fact you use Colossus with suicides "all the time" doesn't make him any less hampered by it, and it doesn't make him take any less damage from recoil either.
    I am not devaluing AA at all. He is a great champ but just not the best. Simple as that.

    How many s2s you think is needed for most colossus fights? Unless you plan on getting hit a lot it doesnt matter. Heck it wouldnt matter anyways cause dude be straight up tanking it anyways. He doesnt rely on throwing any s2s either way. His dmg is just nuts either way. You are entitled to you opinion on AAs placement. But dont go around spreading lies about mah boi
    Yes, I know he isn't the best. He is pretty situational, as the others are. They have their weaknesses, some more pronounced than others in particular circumstances. They compliment each other's deficits well, and are simply not absolute all-rounders in and of themselves. All have different utilities and ways they output their damage. There's not much point in arguing who's better than the other at the end of the day.

    And yes, I'm well aware of how beastly Colossus is. But I prefer "ma boi" archangel contrary to your proclivity.

    (I hope this one finally goes through)
  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Member Posts: 2,678 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020
    These threads always seem to turn into an x is better than y lol.
    Everyone just needs to accept that Groot is the true King.

    (Also AA has big metal wings, Colossus has no metal wings, therefore AA>Colossus. This is how these things work right?)
  • RockypantherxRockypantherx Member Posts: 3,915 ★★★★★

    These threads always seem to turn into an x is better than y lol.
    Everyone just needs to accept that Groot is the true King.

    (Also AA has big metal wings, Colossus has no metal wings, therefore AA>Colossus. This is how these things work right?)

    Correction: these threads always seem to turn into an X mutant is better than Y mutant.

    Every. Freaking. Time.
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