Colossus is a top 5 champ. Willing to virtual fight anyone who says otherwise.
NOT even close.
Sup, puff. I genuinely think he is. But I usually have omega and Emma frost in the team. I mean who exactly would you put ahead of him. I have a rank 2 6* corvus (I’m sure you’ll name him) who I barely use in comparison to colossus or even Hyperion. But I don’t have suicides so corvus’ 20 Hit thing is inconvenient for me. With 4 charges he does like 8k mediums...160k damage then waiting. I’ll pass.
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Very serious @Masterpuff HT is super overrated. Idc about his usefulness in abyss. And I have yondu for heal block. My 5/65 torch only gets used against mystics. Mystics that aren’t magik.
oh,he's overrated in ur dreams,almost every youtuber uses him in act 6,not colossus,the funniest comment of the day
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Very serious @Masterpuff HT is super overrated. Idc about his usefulness in abyss. And I have yondu for heal block. My 5/65 torch only gets used against mystics. Mystics that aren’t magik.
oh,he's overrated in ur dreams,almost every youtuber uses him in act 6,not colossus,the funniest comment of the day
With respect. I strongly disagree. I haven’t explored all of act 6. But I’ve explored act 6.1, 3, and some of 2 and 4. And having them both at 5/65 I haven’t used human torch that I can think of but I probably did at some point. Think for that debuff immune iron fist who heals like 1% or something in 6.1.
I think Colossus is definitely top-10. I run him with OR, you’ve got a duo that is bleed, poison, incinerate, poison, and armor break immune. Both can do crazy damage. Probably my favorite duo to run in-game.
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Very serious @Masterpuff HT is super overrated. Idc about his usefulness in abyss. And I have yondu for heal block. My 5/65 torch only gets used against mystics. Mystics that aren’t magik.
oh,he's overrated in ur dreams,almost every youtuber uses him in act 6,not colossus,the funniest comment of the day
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
Very serious @Masterpuff HT is super overrated. Idc about his usefulness in abyss. And I have yondu for heal block. My 5/65 torch only gets used against mystics. Mystics that aren’t magik.
oh,he's overrated in ur dreams,almost every youtuber uses him in act 6,not colossus,the funniest comment of the day
With respect. I strongly disagree. I haven’t explored all of act 6. But I’ve explored act 6.1, 3, and some of 2 and 4. And having them both at 5/65 I haven’t used human torch that I can think of but I probably did at some point. Think for that debuff immune iron fist who heals like 1% or something in 6.1.
Torch can reverse regen on debuff immune with nova flames
That’s why I used him. Cause he’s mystic and they wouldn’t count as debuffs. Sure I used him somewhere else. just can’t think of it.
I own both and while Torch melts mystics and energy attack dealers for me, Colossus owns almost anything in questing. I don't use the Omega Red synergy since I don't own him as a 5/6* but he still covers more base for me more than HT does. And if the synergy is utilized, the gap widens by a lot. He can even 100% LOL except for a few fights.
Saying that he is not in the Top 10 is too much especially if you haven't even finished Act 5, let alone while owning a 6* Torch.
I got R3 Torch and 5/65 Sig 200 Colossus. Not only does Colossus have more utility and damage but he can take a hit and is also forgiving if you mess up (after SP3 especially).
I mean people can just check BGs itemless 6.2 and see which champion he used most (assuming he had torch back then too)
I am proven wrong but I still disagree. I dont think BG has torch or colossus at the time.
Synergy with Thing_HT will start fight with 2 smoulder,and generate temp.more fast IW-all champs gain more block prof. BWCV_if these champs fail to apply incinerate they apply slow on the opponent. mr.fantastic-if starting fight below or at 20% they recover 10% health or power all fantastic 4-all champ's SP 1 incinerates the opponent surfer-increased armor Capiw-if HT sp2 is blocked the opponent is unable to hit him for 0.75 another synergy of mr.fantastic-incinerate and nova lasts 30% longer another thing synergy-sp2 grabts fury buff
Yea nobody uses the Claire, CAIW, IW r Mr.F synergy. Show me videos where ppl do for general questing
Some friends and I have found out that the Clair synergy is literally useless.
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
man,you're kidding,HT is more useful than him in act 6,no doubt colossus is top 3 mutants,but HT is better imo,every champ that has some energy dmg resource can be taken down easily by torch,can counter miss,fantastic 4 synegies,good incinerate,heal reversal,good immunities,everything is not about Damage
You can counter Miss without have a champion specifically for countering 'Miss'. You dont need to hit IW or G99 when they are invisible so its just a bonus but not a needed utility
Literally nobody uses full F4 synergies in serious questing unless they wanna make a video so that in itself is more or less useless synergy to have. Heal reversal is definitely something he does one of the best in game.
His only immunity is Incinerate/Coldsnap. Colossus has both plus armor break on non tech, bleed and poison resistance with ProfX synergy if you wanna count. Torch does 2 things better than Colossus hands down; Mystic fights and Heal reversal - which in itself has recently been countered by Indomitable to Lionheart nodes.
Wrong, I’m guessing you aren’t a very “endgame” player. Also, how do you start by discounting Torch’s synergies, and then go on to mention the Prof X synergy as one of colossus’s immunities. No. Just no.
Assumptions lol. Nobody uses Torch full F4 synergy, show me live streams or videos where at least 5 youtubers or content creators do that. Go ahead, whereas when you look at Colossus, virtually everyone uses Omega synergy and few also make him Horsemen. Check KarateMike.
Nobody is gonna use anything more than Thing(if even) as Torchs synergy, except for that 1 power sting path in 6.4
Assumptions that I stand behind. Correct me if I’m wrong. And no, no one uses the full F4 team, but many use thing. And you can’t bring a team consisting of only mutants. And everything isn’t about the content creators and the YouTube’s. I know many people in the community that are far better than some of them in terms of skill and knowledge of the game.
Sitting at over 12k prestige here, yep I am not 'endgame'. Thing synergy is the only one people consider using.
Tell me 1 path in Act 6 (non-specific like Power sting or pull etc.) that a team or Omega, Colossus, Magneto, Apoc and Cable can't do? Go ahead.
Let’s see... Oh! I got one. 80% of every 6.2 path. Hmm... You say non-specific, but that’s a large part of act 6. Sorry for underestimating your account, I just didn’t think someone of that high rating would believe Torch not to be top 10.
HT was soooo useful in act 6.4 for me,he melted all bosses (most effective against darkhawk)like cheese,I would prefer him over colossus(
Colossus does Iceman, Thorrags and GM bosses better. Torch does mostly Darkhawk better. Neither can do CMM or Adaptoid as well.
Torch does Mysterio, IMIW better. Colossus does Fury, Havok. Neither can do Medusa or CAIW
They both have bosses they can do better but Colossus is more sustainable and forgiving
They both do that Iceman one pretty easily. Torch has that sweet prefight no one has mentioned. As for that Thorrags, he is incredibly easy. And the GM is about the skill of the player, not the ability of the champion.
@Masterpuff do you really believe human torch is better than colossus? If so. I don’t really care I mean they’re both good. But torch is pretty niche in comparison imo. so I could never.
I own both and while Torch melts mystics and energy attack dealers for me, Colossus owns almost anything in questing. I don't use the Omega Red synergy since I don't own him as a 5/6* but he still covers more base for me more than HT does. And if the synergy is utilized, the gap widens by a lot. He can even 100% LOL except for a few fights.
Saying that he is not in the Top 10 is too much especially if you haven't even finished Act 5, let alone while owning a 6* Torch.
I got R3 Torch and 5/65 Sig 200 Colossus. Not only does Colossus have more utility and damage but he can take a hit and is also forgiving if you mess up (after SP3 especially).
I mean people can just check BGs itemless 6.2 and see which champion he used most (assuming he had torch back then too)
I am proven wrong but I still disagree. I dont think BG has torch or colossus at the time.
100% sure he had Colossus and he was using him as his main attacker, Not certain about Torch tho
Really? I don’t tend to watch much YouTube, because I don’t have time and usually I don’t like most of them.
Without Synergies, definitely not. I don't think he's top 10 even with synergies. Don't get me wrong, he's a great champ but he doesn't have as much utility as the champs at the very top, and it requires a lot of investment to get the most out of his damage too, including a synergy team with champs that cover the same ground as he does. I'd say he's 3rd in the mutant class and maybe top 15 overall
I wouldnt have Torch as top 10 at all. Colossus is way better than torch both utility and damage wise with the only exception being him having Regen reversal and shutting down 1 class. Might not even have Aegon up there due to rampup
man,you're kidding,HT is more useful than him in act 6,no doubt colossus is top 3 mutants,but HT is better imo,every champ that has some energy dmg resource can be taken down easily by torch,can counter miss,fantastic 4 synegies,good incinerate,heal reversal,good immunities,everything is not about Damage
You can counter Miss without have a champion specifically for countering 'Miss'. You dont need to hit IW or G99 when they are invisible so its just a bonus but not a needed utility
Literally nobody uses full F4 synergies in serious questing unless they wanna make a video so that in itself is more or less useless synergy to have. Heal reversal is definitely something he does one of the best in game.
His only immunity is Incinerate/Coldsnap. Colossus has both plus armor break on non tech, bleed and poison resistance with ProfX synergy if you wanna count. Torch does 2 things better than Colossus hands down; Mystic fights and Heal reversal - which in itself has recently been countered by Indomitable to Lionheart nodes.
Wrong, I’m guessing you aren’t a very “endgame” player. Also, how do you start by discounting Torch’s synergies, and then go on to mention the Prof X synergy as one of colossus’s immunities. No. Just no.
Assumptions lol. Nobody uses Torch full F4 synergy, show me live streams or videos where at least 5 youtubers or content creators do that. Go ahead, whereas when you look at Colossus, virtually everyone uses Omega synergy and few also make him Horsemen. Check KarateMike.
Nobody is gonna use anything more than Thing(if even) as Torchs synergy, except for that 1 power sting path in 6.4
Assumptions that I stand behind. Correct me if I’m wrong. And no, no one uses the full F4 team, but many use thing. And you can’t bring a team consisting of only mutants. And everything isn’t about the content creators and the YouTube’s. I know many people in the community that are far better than some of them in terms of skill and knowledge of the game.
Sitting at over 12k prestige here, yep I am not 'endgame'. Thing synergy is the only one people consider using.
Tell me 1 path in Act 6 (non-specific like Power sting or pull etc.) that a team or Omega, Colossus, Magneto, Apoc and Cable can't do? Go ahead.
Let’s see... Oh! I got one. 80% of every 6.2 path. Hmm... You say non-specific, but that’s a large part of act 6. Sorry for underestimating your account, I just didn’t think someone of that high rating would believe Torch not to be top 10.
Well drop in gated paths as well then. Your main excuse was nobody runs full Mutant team but with that team, you have Incinerate, Poison, Bleed, Shock, Armor break, Coldsnap, Frostbite and Disorient Immunity. Yes, Torch doesn't need synergies at all and he can handle his own but at the same time, if 1 champion with full synergies can clear lanes and takeout the boss decently well, then you wont need other champions.
Hence why people consider Ghost/Quake to be top 2 champions in game. (ofc. quake doesnt need any synergy but she can do it all alone if she needed full synergies)
I’m not talking about the gates, I meant the nodes and fights themselves.
Don’t bring Ghost and Quake into this, they are not better because they don’t need synergies. The two of them are good because of the unique abilities they have or not have to block or give the opponent power, or to have insane damage through guaranteed crits.
@Masterpuff do you really believe human torch is better than colossus? If so. I don’t really care I mean they’re both good. But torch is pretty niche in comparison imo. so I could never.
I do. I have colossus, but I think people overrated him. He is really good, still top 3 mutant. But I think torch is better. Having been in the 7.1 Beta, Torch is wayyyyyy more useful than colossus from what I experienced in there.
Yes of course he is. This is what my list of top 10 characters looks like, BTW: 1. Ghost 2. Quake 3. Dr. Doom 4. Archangel 5. Human Torch 6. Nick Fury 7. Colossus 8. Aegon 9. Omega Red 10. Black Widow (Claire Voyant)
I own both and while Torch melts mystics and energy attack dealers for me, Colossus owns almost anything in questing. I don't use the Omega Red synergy since I don't own him as a 5/6* but he still covers more base for me more than HT does. And if the synergy is utilized, the gap widens by a lot. He can even 100% LOL except for a few fights.
Saying that he is not in the Top 10 is too much especially if you haven't even finished Act 5, let alone while owning a 6* Torch.
I got R3 Torch and 5/65 Sig 200 Colossus. Not only does Colossus have more utility and damage but he can take a hit and is also forgiving if you mess up (after SP3 especially).
I mean people can just check BGs itemless 6.2 and see which champion he used most (assuming he had torch back then too)
I am proven wrong but I still disagree. I dont think BG has torch or colossus at the time.
100% sure he had Colossus and he was using him as his main attacker, Not certain about Torch tho
Really? I don’t tend to watch much YouTube, because I don’t have time and usually I don’t like most of them.
Yea, he used Colossus a lot in Act 6 and is still a big fan.
@Masterpuff do you really believe human torch is better than colossus? If so. I don’t really care I mean they’re both good. But torch is pretty niche in comparison imo. so I could never.
I do. I have colossus, but I think people overrated him. He is really good, still top 3 mutant. But I think torch is better. Having been in the 7.1 Beta, Torch is wayyyyyy more useful than colossus from what I experienced in there.
Big Disagree, I was there too and Torch did most of the bosses easily. Or not most but a lot of them. However, Colossus was equally good as well. Especially when he outdamaged Gwenperion's regen. Overall, I do think Colossus does better in Act 7 since he is a rampup champion and Torch only has rampup vs Mystic champs or Energy champs.
But HT did do well against quite some bosses, I will agree.
I’m going to leave this thread alone, I don’t want to get too heated. Feel free to DM me to have a civil talk, I tend to get a little out of hand when I am arguing for something, which is a flaw and a strength of mine. I think they are both great champions but all in all it boils down to personal preference and roster depth.
Ghost,quake,doom,warlock,hyperion,cap iw,mags,fury,aegon,void are better than colossus without synergy and suicides. So he is not top 10.
If you run suicides OR want to access full utility of Ghost, u need Hood synergy. If you want to bypass autoblock champions during specials then you need Wasp. Ghost needs synergies to be as awesome as most people show in their videos, otherwise she is ok.
Also, Colossus damage > Ghost damage with fully synergies for both
There are very few matchups where you need hood and I would prefer fighting auto block champs with anybody other than ghost. She still is more versatile than colossus without synergies.
Ghost,quake,doom,warlock,hyperion,cap iw,mags,fury,aegon,void are better than colossus without synergy and suicides. So he is not top 10.
If you run suicides OR want to access full utility of Ghost, u need Hood synergy. If you want to bypass autoblock champions during specials then you need Wasp. Ghost needs synergies to be as awesome as most people show in their videos, otherwise she is ok.
Also, Colossus damage > Ghost damage with fully synergies for both
I’m sorry. Im sorry. But I can’t. Did you just call ghost ok without synergies?
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I have a rank 2 6* corvus (I’m sure you’ll name him) who I barely use in comparison to colossus or even Hyperion. But I don’t have suicides so corvus’ 20 Hit thing is inconvenient for me. With 4 charges he does like 8k mediums...160k damage then waiting. I’ll pass.
But torch is pretty niche in comparison imo. so I could never.
Don’t bring Ghost and Quake into this, they are not better because they don’t need synergies. The two of them are good because of the unique abilities they have or not have to block or give the opponent power, or to have insane damage through guaranteed crits.
1. Ghost
2. Quake
3. Dr. Doom
4. Archangel
5. Human Torch
6. Nick Fury
7. Colossus
8. Aegon
9. Omega Red
10. Black Widow (Claire Voyant)
Me after this thread: