Which 5 star champion should i upgrade to rank 4 guys?

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He is a beast mate.

He is a beast mate.

I cant find heavy damage output from him bro eventhough he is said to be beyond god tier, whats d reasn?

He is a beast mate.
I cant find heavy damage output from him bro eventhough he is said to be beyond god tier, whats d reasn?

Take him against champs who deal energy damage on basic attacks, or mystics. Blocking these attacks builds smoulder passives, which increase damage output.

He deals incinerates on his medium attacks and his first light attack, so parry, MLM is the best combo to fight with.

With despair he does some amazing heal reversal aswell

Torch then havok

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Easily. Against Mystics + Energy attack champs, he has probably the highest DPs in the entire game. He has the best miss counter in the entire game, and has energy attacks. Absolutely no one is immune to his Nova flames which makes him an option for some debuff immune champs. He’s an insane champ, insane utility, and ofc insane damage

Nick and Stealthy have better miss counters than Torch as they can keep it up for the whole fight without breaking a sweat.

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Easily. Against Mystics + Energy attack champs, he has probably the highest DPs in the entire game. He has the best miss counter in the entire game, and has energy attacks. Absolutely no one is immune to his Nova flames which makes him an option for some debuff immune champs. He’s an insane champ, insane utility, and ofc insane damage
Nick and Stealthy have better miss counters than Torch as they can keep it up for the whole fight without breaking a sweat.
Nick Alright

Stealthy naw. Debuff immunes exist

Pretty sure I haven't seen a placement with both miss and debuff immune. Also, debuff immune means torch won't be able to parry to charge heavy and get his temperature up, so your argument is flawed.

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Easily. Against Mystics + Energy attack champs, he has probably the highest DPs in the entire game. He has the best miss counter in the entire game, and has energy attacks. Absolutely no one is immune to his Nova flames which makes him an option for some debuff immune champs. He’s an insane champ, insane utility, and ofc insane damage
Nick and Stealthy have better miss counters than Torch as they can keep it up for the whole fight without breaking a sweat.
Nick Alright

Stealthy naw. Debuff immunes exist
Pretty sure I haven't seen a placement with both miss and debuff immune. Also, debuff immune means torch won't be able to parry to charge heavy and get his temperature up, so your argument is flawed.

Or you could Bait a heavy? Also, he doesn’t just gain temperature from just heavy charging. Smolder gaining and specials also grant charges.
Stealthy is also vulnerable to debuff shrug offs. Torch’s miss counter isnt
I’m not saying who’s better, but Torch has a better miss counter imo

Bait a heavy huh? Good luck countering Modok's kinda heavy. There's a lot of situations where you can gain smoulders if that champ had a node combo like tunnel vision and stun immunity. Special 1 only gives 5 temperature. He needs 10 to counter miss, and before you know it, you're back to zero.

Stealthy's miss counter is better because you don't even have to make contact with your opponent or take unnecessary risks to keep it up.

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Easily. Against Mystics + Energy attack champs, he has probably the highest DPs in the entire game. He has the best miss counter in the entire game, and has energy attacks. Absolutely no one is immune to his Nova flames which makes him an option for some debuff immune champs. He’s an insane champ, insane utility, and ofc insane damage
Nick and Stealthy have better miss counters than Torch as they can keep it up for the whole fight without breaking a sweat.
Nick Alright

Stealthy naw. Debuff immunes exist
Pretty sure I haven't seen a placement with both miss and debuff immune. Also, debuff immune means torch won't be able to parry to charge heavy and get his temperature up, so your argument is flawed.

Or you could Bait a heavy? Also, he doesn’t just gain temperature from just heavy charging. Smolder gaining and specials also grant charges.
Stealthy is also vulnerable to debuff shrug offs. Torch’s miss counter isnt
I’m not saying who’s better, but Torch has a better miss counter imo
Bait a heavy huh? Good luck countering Modok's kinda heavy. There's a lot of situations where you can gain smoulders if that champ had a node combo like tunnel vision and stun immunity. Special 1 only gives 5 temperature. He needs 10 to counter miss, and before you know it, you're back to zero.

Stealthy's miss counter is better because you don't even have to make contact with your opponent or take unnecessary risks to keep it up.
Make contact? Explain because I only know the method where he needs a whole 5 Hit combo.

Where would you find such a modok with stun immunity and tunnel vision and why did kabam create that lol.

This conversation isn’t helping OP

So I’ll end it

Who’s the best miss counter?

Quake

By make contact, I mean block to bait out a heavy or something.

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