How is this possible?

A tier 1 should never be matched with a tier 5. It shouldn’t even be possible with filters. The search should keep going or it cancels and tells the alliance to search at a different time...the bloody hell Kabam...

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Hollowbunny

So you want other alliances to not match so you dont have to lose ?

KamalaWantsToPlayToo

That's a little extreme...

Look at it this way though. At least you don't have to guess at Diversity and defender rating, because no amount of skill is going to help you in that war.

R4GE

Hollowbunny wrote: »

So you want other alliances to not match so you dont have to lose ?

I think you failed to grasp what the OP was pointing out here and twisted it around. Theres over a 1k difference in War Rating, they shouldn't have ever been matched up.

UnsaferBinkie7

That shouldn't be happening though. Basically goes against what the war rating is for... right?

Twunt

Legitimate concerns like this gets glazed over while lesser topics are sassed and flippantly answered...

GroundedWisdom

I know it's frustrating. We're going to see some Matches like this until the system balances itself more.

DaMunk

Because the matching system is new right? Lol.

GroundedWisdom

DaMunk wrote: »

Because the matching system is new right? Lol.

No. With Defender Rating as a defining metric, eventually the Matches will be more in-range with our own. The Tiers will also reflect this. Eventually there won't be many extreme Matches because the Tiers will be more appropriate to our Rating. This is an example of what happens when Allies agree to avoid fighting each other in Tier 1 to peck off other Allies. Not implying that's what happened here. I have no idea. There will be fewer Matches possible like this because the system will balance itself. War Rating and Tiers will be more in tune to our Rating.
Now, if something else could be done to address it more specifically, I'd support that, but for now I'm waiting to see if it's curbed by the rebalance. It could be the "Agreement", or it could be that this Ally was the closest in War Rating at the time of Matchmaking. Either way the system is in the middle of shifting, so things will change.

Zeke_the_Xbot

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

Because the matching system is new right? Lol.

No. With Defender Rating as a defining metric, eventually the Matches will be more in-range with our own. The Tiers will also reflect this. Eventually there won't be many extreme Matches because the Tiers will be more appropriate to our Rating. This is an example of what happens when Allies agree to avoid fighting each other in Tier 1 to peck off other Allies. Not implying that's what happened here. I have no idea. There will be fewer Matches possible like this because the system will balance itself. War Rating and Tiers will be more in tune to our Rating.
Now, if something else could be done to address it more specifically, I'd support that, but for now I'm waiting to see if it's curbed by the rebalance. It could be the "Agreement", or it could be that this Ally was the closest in War Rating at the time of Matchmaking. Either way the system is in the middle of shifting, so things will change.

You say that like the matchmaking is intelligent and can figure out what to factor in to create a fair matchup. But I wager the algorithm is still largely the same broken stuff it was before instead of saying okay tier 1 alliances match with Tier 1 and no if and or buts about it no hoop jumping or manipulations will change that. No one deserves easy wins at that level and no alliance should be allowed to engage in any sort of behavior that leads to unfair matchups ever. Which is why tier locked matchmaking would be the best solution.

GbSarkar

Should have given up the moment you saw the +128/-2
(Btw, you're in t3, not t5)

Raa

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

I know it's frustrating. We're going to see some Matches like this until the system balances itself more.

You know so much

GroundedWisdom

Zeke_the_Xbot wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

Because the matching system is new right? Lol.

No. With Defender Rating as a defining metric, eventually the Matches will be more in-range with our own. The Tiers will also reflect this. Eventually there won't be many extreme Matches because the Tiers will be more appropriate to our Rating. This is an example of what happens when Allies agree to avoid fighting each other in Tier 1 to peck off other Allies. Not implying that's what happened here. I have no idea. There will be fewer Matches possible like this because the system will balance itself. War Rating and Tiers will be more in tune to our Rating.
Now, if something else could be done to address it more specifically, I'd support that, but for now I'm waiting to see if it's curbed by the rebalance. It could be the "Agreement", or it could be that this Ally was the closest in War Rating at the time of Matchmaking. Either way the system is in the middle of shifting, so things will change.

You say that like the matchmaking is intelligent and can figure out what to factor in to create a fair matchup. But I wager the algorithm is still largely the same broken stuff it was before instead of saying okay tier 1 alliances match with Tier 1 and no if and or buts about it no hoop jumping or manipulations will change that. No one deserves easy wins at that level and no alliance should be allowed to engage in any sort of behavior that leads to unfair matchups ever. Which is why tier locked matchmaking would be the best solution.

That's not what I'm implying. The Tiers and War Rating are proportionate to Wins and Losses. With Defender Rating as a significant metric, those Wins and Losses will be affected in part by Rating. Definitely by the Rank of Champs, and in turn, those are reflected in the Ally Rating. The system searches for a Match within the WR range. When the system is more balanced, as in closer in Ratings, there will be much less in proximity to peck off.
As for Tier-specific Matches, I suppose that would be an idea. As long as it doesn't affect the way we advance or lower in Tiers. As I said, I'm all for a more direct solution, as I don't agree with the "Agreement". Whether within the rules or not, it creates a monopoly on spots and makes for an unfair situation.

Twunt

This is the same guy from the old forum but with a new name. Please don’t dilute my concern with your innane remarks.

UnsaferBinkie7

I've never seen someone be so far up kabam's ass. Anyway, this shouldn't be happening period. If you're tier1, you should be fighting a tier 1 alliance. Unfair matchups like this should even be a thing with such a war rating difference. It's another flaw for this great war mode.

R4GE

This is nothing new at all and has been complained about before in the past.
I have seen other tiers fight before, and in my own experience fought a different tier. Only difference with my experience is our war rating was much closer with our opponents. The gap here is huge and a whole other tier in-between the both.

Not sure if this would be a "glitch" or some serious random bad luck on start time with no other alliances available, not really sure what the odds are of that though. Either way, highly flawed.

Twunt

I agree R4GE, I’m just pointing out the clear innaccuracy of the formula being used. If an alliance is somehow timing this, then the search should keep searching or after 10 min of not finding a suitable match, should send a message saying to try again later. No way on this earth should a tier 2800 be matched with a tier 1500. Does not make sense how much you stretch it.

R4GE

Twunt wrote: »

I agree R4GE, I’m just pointing out the clear innaccuracy of the formula being used. If an alliance is somehow timing this, then the search should keep searching or after 10 min of not finding a suitable match, should send a message saying to try again later. No way on this earth should a tier 2800 be matched with a tier 1500. Does not make sense how much you stretch it.

I agree completely and that's just a terrible match up. I'm here more out of curiosity as to how that could even happen.

Even if a tier 1 alliance was attempting an exploit to avoid fighting another tier 1 alliance, why would it not match them against a tier 2 alliance?

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Twunt

Sorry about that. I didn’t put much thought into the topic.

Zabir

Stop crying just play the game

unknown

Who is going through these forums and flagging all kinds of responses? Go away trolls

gahrling

Too much click bait going on here and it's not even generating any user revenue.