I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
what
What do you mean, "what"?
What is "the fight" as bolded?
Just different fights, man. I've used him for lots of fights because he was the best option for those fights.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
what
What do you mean, "what"?
What is "the fight" as bolded?
Just different fights, man. I've used him for lots of fights because he was the best option for those fights.
There's no such thing as the best option for a single fight, besides maybe Dragon Man for the final phase of the 6.2 champion, but even that is arguable with sorcerer. He may have been the best on yo roster
Lol, what? There's 100% such a thing as the best option for a fight. Don't let your hate for Mole Man make you say crazy things. Name almost any fight and there will be one champ that handles it more effectively than any other.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
what
What do you mean, "what"?
What is "the fight" as bolded?
Just different fights, man. I've used him for lots of fights because he was the best option for those fights.
There's no such thing as the best option for a single fight, besides maybe Dragon Man for the final phase of the 6.2 champion, but even that is arguable with sorcerer. He may have been the best on yo roster
Maybe there's no #1 option but if it's a mystic you can assume Torch will be good there
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
what
What do you mean, "what"?
What is "the fight" as bolded?
Just different fights, man. I've used him for lots of fights because he was the best option for those fights.
There's no such thing as the best option for a single fight, besides maybe Dragon Man for the final phase of the 6.2 champion, but even that is arguable with sorcerer. He may have been the best on yo roster
Wut
There is 100% a best option for a fight. Abyss Mephisto? Easily torch. Abyss collector? Easily aegon. 6.3.1 Medusa? Definitely sym. That makes no sense.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Nick and Falcon are honestly the only 2 champs I'd bring into a blind War or Act 6 quest over him. It's not like I'm saying he's the best Skill champ in the game, but he does so much so well.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Stealthy, Elsa, and Thrasher don't do as much as Mole Man. This is coming from a Stealthy simp. Shock immunity, shock debuffs, tons of bleed debuffs, guaranteed crits, high damage, ignores evade, auto-block, and resistances, and unstoppable which provides unlimited easy intercepts and openings on every blocked hit counters so much. Just compare their kits and you can see who has more uses.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
what
What do you mean, "what"?
What is "the fight" as bolded?
Just different fights, man. I've used him for lots of fights because he was the best option for those fights.
There's no such thing as the best option for a single fight, besides maybe Dragon Man for the final phase of the 6.2 champion, but even that is arguable with sorcerer. He may have been the best on yo roster
Wut
There is 100% a best option for a fight. Abyss Mephisto? Easily torch. Abyss collector? Easily aegon. 6.3.1 Medusa? Definitely sym. That makes no sense.
I’m not denying there aren’t insanely good options for content, and @Etjama i don’t hate mole man I just dislike his play style. I just don’t think there’s a single champ who can do a Single fight the best. Like Abyss Mephisto we have Groot who can one shot him with about 5 heavies
I literally gave a few options of fights that one champ does the best by far in some cases.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Stealthy, Elsa, and Thrasher don't do as much as Mole Man. This is coming from a Stealthy simp. Shock immunity, shock debuffs, tons of bleed debuffs, guaranteed crits, high damage, ignores evade, auto-block, and resistances, and unstoppable which provides unlimited easy intercepts and openings on every blocked hit counters so much. Just compare their kits and you can see who has more uses.
Lol, take it easy, bud. I have those 4 at high levels, and I'm yet to see a situation where moleman is a clear-cut no-brainer option over any of them. Except maybe "do you bleed", but Thrasher can do that with synergies.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Elsa over mole man? 💀💀💀
Mole Man actually has relevant utility.
And I assume you don't have a ranked Elsa?
R1 25 6*, thats the highest ill take her because i dont find her fun and her utility is bleh.
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Stealthy, Elsa, and Thrasher don't do as much as Mole Man. This is coming from a Stealthy simp. Shock immunity, shock debuffs, tons of bleed debuffs, guaranteed crits, high damage, ignores evade, auto-block, and resistances, and unstoppable which provides unlimited easy intercepts and openings on every blocked hit counters so much. Just compare their kits and you can see who has more uses.
Lol, take it easy, bud. I have those 4 at high levels, and I'm yet to see a situation where moleman is a clear-cut no-brainer option over any of them. Except maybe "do you bleed", but Thrasher can do that with synergies.
Give me one fight that made you think “OH I need to use Elsa here she is the best option!”
I’m surprised moleman has so many more votes than kingpin. As i said already MM, cant even keep true accuracy while still being in frenzy, it’s only one or the other. Thats a BIG miss on his design
Then you obviously haven't used him cause it doesn't even matter. His damage is more than enough out of Frenzy and there's still a lot of utility you can access while in Frenzy along with some ridiculous damage. I've used him for so much since I R5'd him, it's crazy. And not just cause I like him, but because he was the best option for the fight. This is coming from someone with a pretty advanced account.
Well yeah, he's good. But there's still a bunch of skill champs I'd personally rather take over him unless I'm running suicides or doing variant 2 or 6 or something like that.
Like who ? Stealthy ? Crit 🐒 ? You think they are better than Mole in overall content ?
I guess you could put it that way, lol.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Stealthy, Elsa, and Thrasher don't do as much as Mole Man. This is coming from a Stealthy simp. Shock immunity, shock debuffs, tons of bleed debuffs, guaranteed crits, high damage, ignores evade, auto-block, and resistances, and unstoppable which provides unlimited easy intercepts and openings on every blocked hit counters so much. Just compare their kits and you can see who has more uses.
Lol, take it easy, bud. I have those 4 at high levels, and I'm yet to see a situation where moleman is a clear-cut no-brainer option over any of them. Except maybe "do you bleed", but Thrasher can do that with synergies.
He's a clear-cut no-brainer over all of them for Stun immune, DNGG, Protect, Ebb and Flow Intercept, Ægis intercept, EMP Mod, Thunderstruck, CSWS, DYB, any situation where you need to shrug damaging debuffs, and any auto-block or resistance matchup along with the Skill Cav EQ. I don't understand how you can't see this tbh...
Kingpin is the most well-rounded and insanely sustainable. The others can’t do what he does, which is clearing entire lanes at full health (assuming Willpower). For annoying defenders though, Falcon handles so much of that with ease.
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There is 100% a best option for a fight. Abyss Mephisto? Easily torch. Abyss collector? Easily aegon. 6.3.1 Medusa? Definitely sym. That makes no sense.
Just that I'd still rather hit up my Nick/stealthy/Elsa/Thrasher/falcon in most scenarios.
Mole Man actually has relevant utility. I literally gave a few options of fights that one champ does the best by far in some cases.
I haven’t missed it.
Seriously, the work they're doing on buffs is pretty impressive.
Of these three, all were 'occasionally useful' at best; now they're solid champs with passionate advocates.
That's a good buff process.
(And yes, DDHK is far less successful, but he's still got his advocates. No process is perfect...)