Why does CMM gain only one energy charge when parries Nimrod?

UnobtainiumClaws

Colinwhitworth69

I glanced his abilities and didn’t notice anything that would cause that.

UnobtainiumClaws

Colinwhitworth69 said:

I glanced his abilities and didn’t notice anything that would cause that.

I read through his abilities and node buffs twice and couldn’t find anything either.

Kabam Zibiit

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

UnobtainiumClaws

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

I just tested what you said against Doom. He also deals energy damage, but CMM gets two charges on parry.

GroundedWisdom

UnobtainiumClaws said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

I just tested what you said against Doom. He also deals energy damage, but CMM gets two charges on parry.

Electricity gives her Charges.

GroundedWisdom

Just a thought.

UnobtainiumClaws

GroundedWisdom said:

UnobtainiumClaws said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

I just tested what you said against Doom. He also deals energy damage, but CMM gets two charges on parry.

Electricity gives her Charges.

Just tested against Human Torch

GroundedWisdom

Yes. It seems it might be broken.

GroundedWisdom

*Nimrod that is.

GroundedWisdom

Could be an extension of the Parry bug as well.

The_Sentry06

Panchulon21 said:

Magneto also gives her 2 charges on parry…. The explanation from zibiit seems a bit kabam-y in my eyes.

It makes sense from her abilities perspective but that is clearly not what is happening in practise.

Typhoon

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

Except CMM's ability specifically states that she receives a persistent energy charge when blocking physical attacks AND when receiving energy damage, which you just said Nimrod deals. So...

Typhoon

UnobtainiumClaws said:

Based on your screenshot, what is PROBABLY happening here is the fact that you did perfect blocks against Nimrod, so you took 0 damage. Therefore, you get one persistent energy charge from the parry but none from the physical/energy damage. Your other screenshots you are not doing perfect blocks and are taking damage, therefore you get the second charge.

UnobtainiumClaws

Typhoon said:

UnobtainiumClaws said:

Based on your screenshot, what is PROBABLY happening here is the fact that you did perfect blocks against Nimrod, so you took 0 damage. Therefore, you get one persistent energy charge from the parry but none from the physical/energy damage. Your other screenshots you are not doing perfect blocks and are taking damage, therefore you get the second charge.

You can parry and receive 0 damage.

Kabam Zibiit

That's my bad everyone, I had accidentally pulled up a much older version of her abilities when looking to see what might be causing this. She receives Energy Charges when receiving energy damage. I've passed the report about Nimrod along to the rest of the team to take a look at.

GroundedWisdom

Kabam Zibiit said:

That's my bad everyone, I had accidentally pulled up a much older version of her abilities when looking to see what might be causing this. She receives Energy Charges when receiving energy damage. I've passed the report about Nimrod along to the rest of the team to take a look at.

Thanks Z!

RichardSlugberg

What Zibiit said is accurate.

* If you block a physical attack you get one charge.
* If you receive energy damage you get one charge.
* If you perform a well timed block you get one charge.

The attack is not a physical attack, no charge for the first point. You received zero damage, no charge for the second point. You performed a well timed block, one charge.

If you try the Torch fight again and perform a zero damage perfect block you should also only get one charge.

"Blocking" an energy attack does not grant a charge. If you happen to receive damage while blocking that attack you'd get a charge for that.

AverageDesi

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there, I believe I know what's happening here. By default, Captain Marvel only gains Persistent Energy Charges by blocking if the attack dealt physical damage, with well-timed blocks giving her an extra Energy Charge. However, all of Nimrod's attacks deal energy damage, instead of physical, so blocking those hits should give her no Charges normally, and only give an extra Charge when she gets the Parry.

you were right Z.

AverageDesi

Typhoon said:

UnobtainiumClaws said:

Based on your screenshot, what is PROBABLY happening here is the fact that you did perfect blocks against Nimrod, so you took 0 damage. Therefore, you get one persistent energy charge from the parry but none from the physical/energy damage. Your other screenshots you are not doing perfect blocks and are taking damage, therefore you get the second charge.

you're right tested against other champs with perfect block synergy and she only gained one charge

AverageDesi

DrDrill

While at it, same thing happens against Warmachine's sp1, and falcon's sp1 (no focus for him), and probably someone else I can't remember

AverageDesi

DrDrill said:

While at it, same thing happens against Warmachine's sp1, and falcon's sp1 (no focus for him), and probably someone else I can't remember

warmachine is fixed

Kabam Zibiit

Triple-checked with the team and it does appear that this is being caused by Perfect Block preventing her from taking the Energy Damage needed to gain that Charge. Since Perfect Block causes no damage to be dealt, abilities that trigger when damage is taken can't activate.

AverageDesi

OP how are you getting perfect blocks with cmm?

RichardSlugberg

AverageDesi said:

OP how are you getting perfect blocks with cmm?

Not OP, but there are a couple ways;

Through Teammates synergy



Guardian synergy


or

Mastery


... two in a row and first charges? I'd bet on the Guardian synergy

RichardSlugberg

Zan0 said:

RichardSlugberg said:

AverageDesi said:

OP how are you getting perfect blocks with cmm?

Not OP, but there are a couple ways;

Through Teammates synergy



Guardian synergy


or

Mastery


... two in a row and first charges? I'd bet on the Guardian synergy

Just here to say it’s obviously not the guardian synergy. You can literally look at his screenshot and see it

Good point! I didn't check for the charge icon!

magnus_xix

A r3 CMM has a high enough block proficiency for a 6* guardian to give her perfect parries when fighting against an opponent with a challenger rating of 130 which is what Nimrod has.

UnobtainiumClaws

Wow! You guys really know what you’re talking about. I have max BP Mastery, Lv1 PB, and 6* Guardian in the team (see below).
I tried the fight again and got zero damage on every single parry the entire fight. I have never seen that before. I’d upload the video here if I can.

Thanks you everyone for your inputs!