Miles vs. Venom

TC1TC1 Member Posts: 75 ★
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While playing against a Venom boss with unblockable sp2, Miles was not able to miss the attack and I got trashed. Now i am aware Venom passively counter all passive evades on spider-verse champs, but no where in Venoms kit or the nodes on Venom does it say about ability reduction for the fight. In fact, with the global node i am receiving additional ability accuracy.

Am i missing something?

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  • ccrider474ccrider474 Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    How much health did you have? Venom gets true strike.
  • Malreck04Malreck04 Member Posts: 3,324 ★★★★★
    Post the rest of the nodes, but seems like some sort of bugged interaction with the klyntar buff
  • TC1TC1 Member Posts: 75 ★
    @Maratox That would make a lot more sense to be honest. i appreciate that response, thanks.
  • TC1TC1 Member Posts: 75 ★
    @gannicus0830 i agree that is a great ability, however true strike does not affect miss.
  • gannicus0830gannicus0830 Member Posts: 651 ★★★★
    TC1 said:

    @gannicus0830 i agree that is a great ability, however true strike does not affect miss.

    True, but they're two separate abilities. He gains true strike when the opponent's health hits 15%, but he can't miss or be evaded by spider-verse champions at all. With some exceptions, like his klyntar buff being nullified or a node granting the defender over 100% ability accuracy.
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  • MaratoxMaratox Member Posts: 1,618 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021
    gannicus0830 said:

    TC1 said:

    @gannicus0830 i agree that is a great ability, however true strike does not affect miss.

    True, but they're two separate abilities. He gains true strike when the opponent's health hits 15%, but he can't miss or be evaded by spider-verse champions at all. With some exceptions, like his klyntar buff being nullified or a node granting the defender over 100% ability accuracy.
    This is… almost entirely wrong. Venom can counter spiderverse evade but can’t counter miss at all. And he gains true strike when opponent is at 18% health not 15% health. And increased ability accuracy won’t allow spiderverse heroes to evade because the klyntar buff just completely ignores it. Not related to ability accuracy
  • doodages07doodages07 Member Posts: 1
    what's 9 + 10?
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  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Maratox said:

    It’s probably the fact that only the first hit is unblockable because it’s “enhanced special” node and not “unblockable specials” node. The rest of his SP2 can be blocked and therefore miles only has a guaranteed miss on the first hit.

    It’s odd, because Spider-Gwen evades all of an enhanced special node, but Miles doesn’t miss all of it.
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  • TrashyPandaTrashyPanda Member Posts: 1,574 ★★★★★
    BitterSteel said:

    Maratox said:

    It’s probably the fact that only the first hit is unblockable because it’s “enhanced special” node and not “unblockable specials” node. The rest of his SP2 can be blocked and therefore miles only has a guaranteed miss on the first hit.

    It’s odd, because Spider-Gwen evades all of an enhanced special node, but Miles doesn’t miss all of it.
    Might be how evade is coded. When evade procs, it causes chain evading. Miss probably just causes the one miss.
  • KerneasKerneas Member Posts: 3,827 ★★★★★
    He sure can miss under normal circumstances, so you either had <18% hp, or it is some bug, or some unknown interaction
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    TrashyPanda said:

    BitterSteel said:

    Maratox said:

    It’s probably the fact that only the first hit is unblockable because it’s “enhanced special” node and not “unblockable specials” node. The rest of his SP2 can be blocked and therefore miles only has a guaranteed miss on the first hit.

    It’s odd, because Spider-Gwen evades all of an enhanced special node, but Miles doesn’t miss all of it.
    Might be how evade is coded. When evade procs, it causes chain evading. Miss probably just causes the one miss.
    I don’t think that’s it, and you can test it with CGR’s sp1.

    If CGR has only triggered a few judgements, the unblockable buff on his sp1 only lasts for the first hit. Meaning hit 1 is unblockable, but hits 2, 3 and 4 are normal hits.

    If you take spider Gwen against him, she only evades the first hit which is unblockable but then she doesn’t chain evade the others.

    What’s going on there is the same as for enhanced specials. First hit unblockable, but the rest aren’t. Spider Gwen evades all of enhanced specials, but not CGR sp1.

    I think Gwen is coded different for enhanced special, but I don’t think it’s specific to evade, or she would evade all of CGR’s special too. I wish Kabam would comment on it, it would give Miles a nice boost, considering he’s basically the “Unblockable counter guy” and that’s it.
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