I can name 2 champions that have prowess removal off the top of my head. War Machine and Nimrod.
AAR Also messes with Quake and Ghost.
Quake has for counters (other than AAR), Evade, and passive powergain, which are FAR more common than prowess removal.
Ghost has Armor Breaks and Miss Counters, which are both FAR more common than prowess removal as well.
The one thing you would think would counter her, which would be a miss counter, actually highly benefits her making her be able to loop SP3s non-stop with no damage taken.
If you learn to play her properly with Tigra, you can literally get your 3 prowess, and just phase intercept into a 2 combo, back off and repeat. If duped, you will be taking 0 damage from any sources, and I already covered if they have a miss counter.
Kitty's counters will be far more common in the future because of how OP she is, and we might even see some new work around counters for her, but as of now, I believe we have finally seen Ghost and Quake dethroned. Kitty can simply take more content.
I can agree that she is OP but she can't do what quake can She can't do what ghost can in small time
Kitty isnt even the best champ released this year. Thats Hercules. Lagacy, the man with a r4 Kitty, said that himself. So, you see, she can't be the best in the game. On a side note, I myself dont believe that one champ can be "best in the game". Every candidate has a weakness or two that other top champs cover. Or you need some prefights, synergy to counter nodes/champs. But, gun to my head, I'll say Ghost.
No champion will ever be better than quake. It’s just not something the developers will let happen. You lost me when you said she can dethrone quake.
Also. Your logic is slightly flawed as you’re pretty much only basing it off what counters each champion. In this game we don’t bring champions based on what they get countered by, we bring champions based on what they counter. We bring champions to their ideal situations, that’s the whole point of choosing a team.
Quake counters about 99% of the nodes in the game, that’s why she’s top. She gets countered by a couple of nodes that are more common than prowess removal, but they are not common enough to actually stop her being useful in so much content.
To take your logic and apply it elsewhere, if amount of counters makes a champion worse:
Archangel, there are 28 bleed immune champions and 33 poison immune champions. That’s about a quarter of the entire game. Wow, archangel gets countered by soo much. Not to mention bleed immune and poison immune nodes, cornered, immune to AAR screws with his utility.
Colossus however, only really gets countered by nullify and spite sort of nodes that punish buffs. His kit lends itself to an overall great amount of use, but he doesn’t often excel. Does that mean colossus is a better champion?
No, there has to be more to it than that. The only other point you make in your original post is that you can take 0 damage from any source, but in any situation where you take damage either one or the other of ghost or quake can do that as well. Thorns - quake it. unavoidable damage - ghost it etc. So what else do you have in favour of your argument? What actually sets Kitty apart? Because right now, you may as well be saying colossus is better than archangel because he has less counters and he’s bleed immune.
After that, in the comments you’ve just clapped your hands together, sat back and said “my work here is done, no need to reply to any more points” even though @Hoitado raised new points you hadn’t addressed. You gotta back up an opinion like this, or nobody is gonna take it seriously.
As for my own opinion, I’m not sure yet. I know Kitty will never be better than quake. It’s just not going to happen, quake’s design was so unintended that it gets around so much, Kabam won’t let it happen. As for ghost, there needs to be time to tell. Not enough people have her yet, she hasn’t been tested enough yet, the new champ hype needs to die down and we need to see where she really stands. I personally think that Kitty and ghost will be on equal footing, where there’s no real discernible better champion. You just use one here, and the other there.
When I got lucky pulling Kitty in just 3 cavs after she was released, I was in euphoria and I used her in every single thing I could. I thought to myself, "Damn! This is the new school meta! Instant Top 1", and that's coming from a heavy Quake/Ghost user.
But after a few months, I saw that while she's definitely at the top of the game right now, she's not breaking the game at the same level Ghost and Quake does at their prime.
Well now that everyone has said their views here is mine: Kitty is indeed a goddess at her prime however she has no way of bypassing or purifying debuffs like ghost can. And she does not have AAR like Quake has. Only reason Quake has fallen off the grid is due to not being avaiable as 6 star and content with far higher healthpools. Kitty and Hercules are a class of their own so is Ghost and Quake. Kitty being better than Quake and Ghost yes in some scenarios but Overall i say she has not dethroned Ghost and Quake
@RavenKeeper You are saying that Kitty have dethroned quake in general. And then you opened your discussion for debate, yet you didn't answered some of the forum members logical, reason based valid questions like @BitterSteel@Hoitado .
Ok let me ask you in simple words
Can kitty bypass atleast 50% of nodes which exist in game???? Can kitty do the atleast 70% of content all by herself of the game comparatively.( Which includes the Aw and Aq paths too, reliably and very effectively??) Do her damage is ground breaking without boost???
Now let me tell you or revisit the little bit history in case you don't know. Quake and ghost were treated as trash when they released. Players didn't knew how to play them. But later players found ways to use them and soon they climbed the ranks to top. Their kit was not designed to break the game , it was unintentional. It was the skills and brain of players which made it possible. Quake isn't available as 6 star yet.
If it's your personal preference that kitty is better than quake, then absolutely fine as I am also not fan of quake either. She's most boring champ ever created in my personal opinion. It's your account, do whatever you like to do. But if you are generalizing it as fact and open to debate, then you need to answer some of questions atleast. Otherwise none will take your Opinion (generalizing one) seriously.
Your arguments were not based upon the general counters rather than the selective counters. For example, will you take risk against max Sig namor who counters miss???? Kitty's miss/phase is different than ghost. Kitty's most aggressive utility approach is locked behind her Sig ability. There's a reason why quake and ghost are banned more at high tier wars than kitty.
I don't see your thread as personal opinion one as you are comparing kitty and quake generally. Kitty isn't even close to ghost. For me quake is most boring and I hate her but that doesn't mean she's useless in general. in contrast she's OP and most broken champ. G2099 is best tech champ for me and my roster tho I even have ghost at r3 but she is not for me. But that doesn't mean ghost has been dethroned. G2099 isn't even close to ghost in most of the aspects. I don't like NF but in general is OP. Void is best science for me but in general he don't hold candle to quake or HT(damage wise atleast). Personal opinions are welcomed but if you wanna make it as fact generally you need to some valid and logical reason behind it yet you have not answered any question, dodging it. I am open to you questions now why kitty can't surpass ghost and quake. Even apoc is way better than kitty in many aspects.
@RavenKeeper You are saying that Kitty have dethroned quake in general. And then you opened your discussion for debate, yet you didn't answered some of the forum members logical, reason based valid questions like @BitterSteel@Hoitado .
Ok let me ask you in simple words
Can kitty bypass atleast 50% of nodes which exist in game???? Can kitty do the atleast 70% of content all by herself of the game comparatively.( Which includes the Aw and Aq paths too, reliably and very effectively??) Do her damage is ground breaking without boost???
Now let me tell you or revisit the little bit history in case you don't know. Quake and ghost were treated as trash when they released. Players didn't knew how to play them. But later players found ways to use them and soon they climbed the ranks to top. Their kit was not designed to break the game , it was unintentional. It was the skills and brain of players which made it possible. Quake isn't available as 6 star yet.
If it's your personal preference that kitty is better than quake, then absolutely fine as I am also not fan of quake either. She's most boring champ ever created in my personal opinion. It's your account, do whatever you like to do. But if you are generalizing it as fact and open to debate, then you need to answer some of questions atleast. Otherwise none will take your Opinion (generalizing one) seriously.
Your arguments were not based upon the general counters rather than the selective counters. For example, will you take risk against max Sig namor who counters miss???? Kitty's miss/phase is different than ghost. Kitty's most aggressive utility approach is locked behind her Sig ability. There's a reason why quake and ghost are banned more at high tier wars than kitty.
I don't see your thread as personal opinion one as you are comparing kitty and quake generally. Kitty isn't even close to ghost. For me quake is most boring and I hate her but that doesn't mean she's useless in general. in contrast she's OP and most broken champ. G2099 is best tech champ for me and my roster tho I even have ghost at r3 but she is not for me. But that doesn't mean ghost has been dethroned. G2099 isn't even close to ghost in most of the aspects. I don't like NF but in general is OP. Void is best science for me but in general he don't hold candle to quake or HT(damage wise atleast). Personal opinions are welcomed but if you wanna make it as fact generally you need to some valid and logical reason behind it yet you have not answered any question, dodging it. I am open to you questions now why kitty can't surpass ghost and quake. Even apoc is way better than kitty in many aspects.
One thing I hate about kitty is that if you backdragt and the opponent follows you ,you can't phase because there isn't enough distance to do so
Wish you could have read whole argument rather than pointing out single statment without context It was argued comparatively to ghost 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️and other champs
The best champ is the one you master (and you will use that champ more often - Ofcourse). And here Kitty dominante. It took me a week to (sort of) master her. I still dont master Ghost or Quake at all.
We still don't have a 6* Quake because she would break the game. Can you imagine a 6r4 Quake? It would be insane.
Kitty is an amazing champion, there's no denying that. However, I don't know if she has "dethroned" anyone. Has people stopped using Ghost since Kitty came out? I have seen no evidence of that. What I have seen is Kitty being ranked up quickly in many players' rosters as they get her, just as they would with Ghost or Quake. Because she's an amazing champ; as are Ghost and Quake.
I think you can make a similar argument for Hercules, that his immortality is borderline broken in how good it is. It's well and truly absurdly useful in every fight that you don't just win naturally, through the use of his other abilities.
Has he dethroned Ghost and Quake? Did Kitty dethrone Hercules? I think not. I do, however, think that both Hercules and Kitty are amazing champions that both expand the top-tier significantly. Previously, Ghost and Quake dominated so much that there rarely was any point in bringing any other champions other than as synergy partners, if you were skilled enough. Nowadays, there are more options. That's really, really good.
It's also really healthy for the game since the two-champ domination led to all kinds of problems in the past. What would be unhealthy for the game is to create a situation where a new champion dethrones the champions at the very top and creates a new one-champ domination scenario.
Luckily, I don't think we're there. I think we're still in the healthy part of it all, and I think we'll stay there. Hercules immortality can be easily countered with some sort of buff removal, and there are all kinds of ways to counter Kitty in future content if Kabam decides to. Maybe May's champions both can just flat-out refuse opponents to phase with some neat new ability?
Let's also remember that one of the main reasons why Kitty is so dominant right now is because she thrives under the restrictions that were put in to counter Ghost. If true strike and similar abilities become less abundant, Kitty wouldn't be able to soar to an SP3 as easily as she can now, and Ghost would start dominating again. It's a constant back-and-forth between which champs rise to the top of any given content. Ghost and Quake have been mainstays for years at this point. I wouldn't say that Kitty has dethroned either of them until we've seen her be everyone's first pick ahead of them for several years from this point.
you still haven't responded to @BitterSteel lmaooo
There was nothing of intelligence in that essay.
I suppose your original post has that in common then.
The difference is, I replied to your points even though I thought they were unintelligent - you’ve brushed mine off without even trying. Which makes people think you can’t combat them, and my original statement applies: “You gotta back up an opinion like this, or nobody is gonna take it seriously”.
Wish you could have read whole argument rather than pointing out single statment without context It was argued comparatively to ghost 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️and other champs
i thought it was worded funny, relax
Ok ok 😅😅😅 I get it when I read it once again. Definitely didn't meant that tho😅😅
Its like saying Ultron is better than Nimrod because he has more general use. Nimrod may be more selective in his primary use being against mutant, but he DOMINATES mutants to the point where you’d probably want to r4 him over Ultron
Trust me dude, it’s mot worth arguing. Even if it were true that kitty is better than quake and ghost, these comments would be the same and you’d only get clowned on. Better to leave it to yourself and let it show with the content going forward.
Its like saying Ultron is better than Nimrod because he has more general use. Nimrod may be more selective in his primary use being against mutant, but he DOMINATES mutants to the point where you’d probably want to r4 him over Ultron
Get where you're coming from but I'd send Ultron to r4 for this very reason. Nimrod is selective and dominates in this area. Ultron is great everywhere but doesnt necessarily dominate anywhere, to the extent Nimrod does anyway. I dont need Nimrod to be r4 to dominate against mutants and so I'm prob better off using these precious resources elsewhere, as r4 will not change much for Nimrod's uses. Ultron needs r4 more imo
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She can't do what ghost can in small time
So, you see, she can't be the best in the game.
On a side note, I myself dont believe that one champ can be "best in the game". Every candidate has a weakness or two that other top champs cover. Or you need some prefights, synergy to counter nodes/champs.
But, gun to my head, I'll say Ghost.
Quake can win any fight without touching the opponent, effectively ignoring all mechanics and nodes.
Kitty has to hit the opponent and cant get rid of debuffs...
Also. Your logic is slightly flawed as you’re pretty much only basing it off what counters each champion. In this game we don’t bring champions based on what they get countered by, we bring champions based on what they counter. We bring champions to their ideal situations, that’s the whole point of choosing a team.
Quake counters about 99% of the nodes in the game, that’s why she’s top. She gets countered by a couple of nodes that are more common than prowess removal, but they are not common enough to actually stop her being useful in so much content.
To take your logic and apply it elsewhere, if amount of counters makes a champion worse:
Archangel, there are 28 bleed immune champions and 33 poison immune champions. That’s about a quarter of the entire game. Wow, archangel gets countered by soo much. Not to mention bleed immune and poison immune nodes, cornered, immune to AAR screws with his utility.
Colossus however, only really gets countered by nullify and spite sort of nodes that punish buffs. His kit lends itself to an overall great amount of use, but he doesn’t often excel. Does that mean colossus is a better champion?
No, there has to be more to it than that. The only other point you make in your original post is that you can take 0 damage from any source, but in any situation where you take damage either one or the other of ghost or quake can do that as well. Thorns - quake it. unavoidable damage - ghost it etc. So what else do you have in favour of your argument? What actually sets Kitty apart? Because right now, you may as well be saying colossus is better than archangel because he has less counters and he’s bleed immune.
After that, in the comments you’ve just clapped your hands together, sat back and said “my work here is done, no need to reply to any more points” even though @Hoitado raised new points you hadn’t addressed. You gotta back up an opinion like this, or nobody is gonna take it seriously.
As for my own opinion, I’m not sure yet. I know Kitty will never be better than quake. It’s just not going to happen, quake’s design was so unintended that it gets around so much, Kabam won’t let it happen. As for ghost, there needs to be time to tell. Not enough people have her yet, she hasn’t been tested enough yet, the new champ hype needs to die down and we need to see where she really stands. I personally think that Kitty and ghost will be on equal footing, where there’s no real discernible better champion. You just use one here, and the other there.
But after a few months, I saw that while she's definitely at the top of the game right now, she's not breaking the game at the same level Ghost and Quake does at their prime.
You are saying that Kitty have dethroned quake in general. And then you opened your discussion for debate, yet you didn't answered some of the forum members logical, reason based valid questions like @BitterSteel @Hoitado .
Ok let me ask you in simple words
Can kitty bypass atleast 50% of nodes which exist in game????
Can kitty do the atleast 70% of content all by herself of the game comparatively.( Which includes the Aw and Aq paths too, reliably and very effectively??)
Do her damage is ground breaking without boost???
Now let me tell you or revisit the little bit history in case you don't know.
Quake and ghost were treated as trash when they released. Players didn't knew how to play them. But later players found ways to use them and soon they climbed the ranks to top. Their kit was not designed to break the game , it was unintentional. It was the skills and brain of players which made it possible. Quake isn't available as 6 star yet.
If it's your personal preference that kitty is better than quake, then absolutely fine as I am also not fan of quake either. She's most boring champ ever created in my personal opinion. It's your account, do whatever you like to do.
But if you are generalizing it as fact and open to debate, then you need to answer some of questions atleast. Otherwise none will take your Opinion (generalizing one) seriously.
Your arguments were not based upon the general counters rather than the selective counters. For example, will you take risk against max Sig namor who counters miss???? Kitty's miss/phase is different than ghost. Kitty's most aggressive utility approach is locked behind her Sig ability. There's a reason why quake and ghost are banned more at high tier wars than kitty.
I don't see your thread as personal opinion one as you are comparing kitty and quake generally. Kitty isn't even close to ghost. For me quake is most boring and I hate her but that doesn't mean she's useless in general. in contrast she's OP and most broken champ. G2099 is best tech champ for me and my roster tho I even have ghost at r3 but she is not for me. But that doesn't mean ghost has been dethroned. G2099 isn't even close to ghost in most of the aspects. I don't like NF but in general is OP. Void is best science for me but in general he don't hold candle to quake or HT(damage wise atleast).
Personal opinions are welcomed but if you wanna make it as fact generally you need to some valid and logical reason behind it yet you have not answered any question, dodging it.
I am open to you questions now why kitty can't surpass ghost and quake. Even apoc is way better than kitty in many aspects.
It was argued comparatively to ghost 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️and other champs
Kitty is an amazing champion, there's no denying that. However, I don't know if she has "dethroned" anyone. Has people stopped using Ghost since Kitty came out? I have seen no evidence of that. What I have seen is Kitty being ranked up quickly in many players' rosters as they get her, just as they would with Ghost or Quake. Because she's an amazing champ; as are Ghost and Quake.
I think you can make a similar argument for Hercules, that his immortality is borderline broken in how good it is. It's well and truly absurdly useful in every fight that you don't just win naturally, through the use of his other abilities.
Has he dethroned Ghost and Quake? Did Kitty dethrone Hercules? I think not. I do, however, think that both Hercules and Kitty are amazing champions that both expand the top-tier significantly. Previously, Ghost and Quake dominated so much that there rarely was any point in bringing any other champions other than as synergy partners, if you were skilled enough. Nowadays, there are more options. That's really, really good.
It's also really healthy for the game since the two-champ domination led to all kinds of problems in the past. What would be unhealthy for the game is to create a situation where a new champion dethrones the champions at the very top and creates a new one-champ domination scenario.
Luckily, I don't think we're there. I think we're still in the healthy part of it all, and I think we'll stay there. Hercules immortality can be easily countered with some sort of buff removal, and there are all kinds of ways to counter Kitty in future content if Kabam decides to. Maybe May's champions both can just flat-out refuse opponents to phase with some neat new ability?
Let's also remember that one of the main reasons why Kitty is so dominant right now is because she thrives under the restrictions that were put in to counter Ghost. If true strike and similar abilities become less abundant, Kitty wouldn't be able to soar to an SP3 as easily as she can now, and Ghost would start dominating again. It's a constant back-and-forth between which champs rise to the top of any given content. Ghost and Quake have been mainstays for years at this point. I wouldn't say that Kitty has dethroned either of them until we've seen her be everyone's first pick ahead of them for several years from this point.
The difference is, I replied to your points even though I thought they were unintelligent - you’ve brushed mine off without even trying. Which makes people think you can’t combat them, and my original statement applies: “You gotta back up an opinion like this, or nobody is gonna take it seriously”.
Looks like nobody is taking it seriously.