Where did the term "suicide mastery" come from?

Kabl

Just curious 'cause it's quite dark for a child-friendly game.

Malreck04

Well, the term was coined by the community/content creators so the game isn't really responsible. It's the conventional name, some people use terms like "ouchie masteries" that serve no purpose other than making me cringe physically

SandeepS

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Kabl

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

DarkZen

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

ThatGuyYouSaw235

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

You could call them by their actual names

ItsDamien

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

Sure. But good luck getting the majority of users to change their way of saying Suicide masteries.

King_Sterny

Also, I would be great if people stopped calling the Summoned Symbiote "Little Steve."

Scarcity27

King_Sterny said:

Also, I would be great if people stopped calling the Summoned Symbiote "Little Steve."

I mean, it's significantly less letters, even fewer if you just put Steve, easier to spell. Either way, it was a sort of joke/story thread created when he was supposed to be taken away during his first event quest.
You're free to call yours whatever you want. Mine is called Cypress.

Kabl

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

Scarcity27

Kabl said:

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

the process of reducing something's strength or effectiveness through sustained attack or pressure

I don't think it's the same meaning as what the masteries are doing. The masteries cause a loss in health, in return for an increase in attack.
Attrition seems to mean losing strength by being attacked or pressured.

Kabl

Scarcity27 said:

Kabl said:

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

the process of reducing something's strength or effectiveness through sustained attack or pressure

I don't think it's the same meaning as what the masteries are doing. The masteries cause a loss in health, in return for an increase in attack.
Attrition seems to mean losing strength by being attacked or pressured.

Does suicide mean becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm?

Kabl

I guess the closest word to becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm is masochism?

Scarcity27

Kabl said:

Scarcity27 said:

Kabl said:

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

the process of reducing something's strength or effectiveness through sustained attack or pressure

I don't think it's the same meaning as what the masteries are doing. The masteries cause a loss in health, in return for an increase in attack.
Attrition seems to mean losing strength by being attacked or pressured.

Does suicide mean becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm?

No it doesn't, but attrition means the opposite of what we're meaning to say. Suicide means inflicting self harm. Attrition, from what I gather, isn't exclusively weakness or harm to self anyway.
But good on you, I learnt a new word today.

Kabl said:

I guess the closest word to becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm is masochism?

Masochism is close, except it means pleasure from self harm or humiliation. Also, it is the name of a node, so a bit confusing.

AATT

Self-harm mastery could be an alternative for suicides as you state. Suicide is when you launch an sp with less than 5% HP actually, above that limit is only self-harm

o_o

Scarcity27 said:

Kabl said:

Scarcity27 said:

Kabl said:

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

the process of reducing something's strength or effectiveness through sustained attack or pressure

I don't think it's the same meaning as what the masteries are doing. The masteries cause a loss in health, in return for an increase in attack.
Attrition seems to mean losing strength by being attacked or pressured.

Does suicide mean becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm?

No it doesn't, but attrition means the opposite of what we're meaning to say. Suicide means inflicting self harm. Attrition, from what I gather, isn't exclusively weakness or harm to self anyway.
But good on you, I learnt a new word today.

Kabl said:

I guess the closest word to becoming stronger by inflicting self-harm is masochism?

Masochism is close, except it means pleasure from self harm or humiliation. Also, it is the name of a node, so a bit confusing.

There’s a retired YouTuber who used the term “attrition masteries” and he was referring to what the masteries do to your health pool. Makes more sense if you think of it that way.

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hungryhungrybbq

Some YouTubers have stopped using the term. They use "damage masteries" or "recoil masteries", etc. instead.

Colinwhitworth69

Kabl said:

Just curious 'cause it's quite dark for a child-friendly game.

It is also an incorrect description of the masteries. The goal is not to kill yourself, but to gain a massive attack increase with the risk of losing health. And even then losing health is not guaranteed (see Corvus, Mags, Omega, robots, the Fury/Quake synergy, etc).

I have two friends who have committed suicide, one last year, so I cringe at the use of the term in general. But I do not fault anyone who uses the term, because it has become so general in use.

Colinwhitworth69

Kabl said:

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

attrition mastery

This is what my alliance uses. Also "attack masteries" works better than SM, IMO.

DualityCope

Recoil can be used to describe all of suicide masteries if you want.


Because no sane person would run only recoil

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Doomsfist79

DarkZen said:

Kabl said:

SandeepS said:

It came from the effect of the masteries, the more specials you use, the more health you lose so it's like killing yourself

Is there a less morbid alternative?

What would you rename it ? Quicksand Mastery ?

Just refer to them as the recoil masteries.. you're only going to put points into recoil if you're going further to double edge and liquid courage..

Snuggzy

How about Dark-Side Masteries? It's the only thing I can think of that provides an increased attack, at the cost of personal health, like the way Palpatine's use of the force decimated his body.

PastorAmerica

I really dislike the term “suicides”. I’ve always thought they should be called “Liquid Edge”- A combination of Liquid Courage and Double Edge.
“Recoil masteries” also works and is self explanatory in the game.

Snuggzy

In addition to Dark-Side Masteries, "Chaos Masteries" could fit the bill, too. Think Fringilla, in The Witcher, attempting to lift the stone from her table. Her magic came at the cost of her hand.

Scarcity27

Well, we could always call it Nietzsche's masteries. Nietzsche is the guy who said "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" which seems kinda apt.

Down side, I probably couldn't pronounce or spell it right without screwing up. Up side, I don't use those masteries anyway.

Hoitado

It’s not that big of a deal.

Kabl

I've been thinking about Logan and how his adamantium makes him stronger but also killing him overtime so it's the adamantium mastery now, I decided.

Malreck04

DualityCope said:

Recoil can be used to describe all of suicide masteries if you want.


Because no sane person would run only recoil

I'm being forced to disagree because I distinctly remember someone either here or on reddit who ran just recoil, maybe because they didn't have the units or something.

MrSakuragi

Kabl said:

Just curious 'cause it's quite dark for a child-friendly game.

The game is not exactly child friendly - No accounts should be created for those under 13 years old according to terms of service.