Should Iceman be the HT of Mutants?

Siliyo

Like the title says: since Iceman (ice) is the opposite of Human Torch (fire), do you guys think he should be a Skill Class killer (in most cases) similar to how Human Torch is for Mystics?

PapaMidnite007

Yes

Drenlin

He sure has lost a lot of his appeal over the years. Can’t remember the last time I actually used him

Maratox

Drenlin said:

He sure has lost a lot of his appeal over the years. Can’t remember the last time I actually used him

I use him in war quite a bit. People love putting Morningstar on the incinerate/poison hazard shift node. A lot of champs can get around one or both of those, but iceman is the only champ who’s immune to incinerate, poison, and bleed.

SkyLord7000

All he needs is more damage and immunity to coldsnap.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

No ... ?

FluffyPigMonster

I’m trying to process the equation

If he had a mechanic that ramped up his damage like Torch then maybe.

He’s good, just not super

Siliyo

I’m going to use Human Torch’s abilities and input the Iceman changes [like this]:

Signature ability:
If [Iceman] has 0 persistent charges and his Pre-Fight Ability is not active, he has a X% chance to gain 1 persistent charge(s). This ability increases by a flat X% every time the ability fails to activate.

Passive:
Immune to Coldsnap, Frostbite, and Incinerate.

Whenever [Iceman] would be [coldsnapped], he places a [Freeze] Passive on himself. Frost Passives deal 0 damage and last indefinitely.

Basic attacks deal [physical damage] instead of energy damage.

Omega Mutant! - Pre Fight Ability
(Working title for the Pre Fight). If [Iceman] has at least 1 Persistent Charge(s), he can consume them to activate this ability before the fight.

For the entire fight, all of [Iceman’s frostbites] are [Black Ice], lasts 2 seconds longer, and deal an additional +75% damage. This ability does not stack.

Temperature:
While charging a heavy attack, [Iceman decreases] his temperature. Temperature [increases] slightly over time. Temperate [increases] slower for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion. At 10 below Temperature, the cold from [Iceman’s attacks] are so intense, they cannot miss. At 20 below Temperature, Temperature cannot [increase] for 6.50 seconds, then it is set to 18 below. The duration of all of [Iceman’s] frostbites effects increases by up to 4 second(s) depending on his temperature.

[Frostbites]: The damage of all of [Iceman’s frostbites] increases by 12% for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion. For each [Frostbite] on the Opponent, their regeneration rate is reduced by 20%. While [Iceman is shocked], the duration of all his [Frostbite] effects is reduced by 4 seconds.

[Omega Form]:
When [Below Temperature is at 20] and the Opponent has [7 Frostbite] effects, for the next 7 seconds instead of placing Frostbite Debuffs on the opponent, [Iceman] places [Black Ice] Passives instead.

[Black Ice]:
[Black Ice] deals Energy damage over time, removes Perfect Block chance, reduces Block Proficiency to 0. Not sure what should be inflicted instead of Power Sting. [Black Ice] Passives are treated as Frostbite Debuffs for all of [Iceman’s] abilities.

When Attacked - Contact
0% chance to [Frostbite] the Opponent for X damage over 4 seconds. This chance is increased by a flat 10% for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion.

When Blocking or Attacked
If the hit dealt [Physical Damage], Temperature is [decreased] by 5, and Iceman [Freezes]. All attacks from Skill Champions are considered as Physical Attacks towards this ability.

Spadeofaces

Electro should be the same with some sort of static energy

BitterSteel

Siliyo said:

I’m going to use Human Torch’s abilities and input the Iceman changes [like this]:

Signature ability:
If [Iceman] has 0 persistent charges and his Pre-Fight Ability is not active, he has a X% chance to gain 1 persistent charge(s). This ability increases by a flat X% every time the ability fails to activate.

Passive:
Immune to Coldsnap, Frostbite, and Incinerate.

Whenever [Iceman] would be [coldsnapped], he places a [Freeze] Passive on himself. Frost Passives deal 0 damage and last indefinitely.

Basic attacks deal [physical damage] instead of energy damage.

Omega Mutant! - Pre Fight Ability
(Working title for the Pre Fight). If [Iceman] has at least 1 Persistent Charge(s), he can consume them to activate this ability before the fight.

For the entire fight, all of [Iceman’s frostbites] are [Black Ice], lasts 2 seconds longer, and deal an additional +75% damage. This ability does not stack.

Temperature:
While charging a heavy attack, [Iceman decreases] his temperature. Temperature [increases] slightly over time. Temperate [increases] slower for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion. At 10 below Temperature, the cold from [Iceman’s attacks] are so intense, they cannot miss. At 20 below Temperature, Temperature cannot [increase] for 6.50 seconds, then it is set to 18 below. The duration of all of [Iceman’s] frostbites effects increases by up to 4 second(s) depending on his temperature.

[Frostbites]: The damage of all of [Iceman’s frostbites] increases by 12% for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion. For each [Frostbite] on the Opponent, their regeneration rate is reduced by 20%. While [Iceman is shocked], the duration of all his [Frostbite] effects is reduced by 4 seconds.

[Omega Form]:
When [Below Temperature is at 20] and the Opponent has [7 Frostbite] effects, for the next 7 seconds instead of placing Frostbite Debuffs on the opponent, [Iceman] places [Black Ice] Passives instead.

[Black Ice]:
[Black Ice] deals Energy damage over time, removes Perfect Block chance, reduces Block Proficiency to 0. Not sure what should be inflicted instead of Power Sting. [Black Ice] Passives are treated as Frostbite Debuffs for all of [Iceman’s] abilities.

When Attacked - Contact
0% chance to [Frostbite] the Opponent for X damage over 4 seconds. This chance is increased by a flat 10% for each [Freeze or Frostbite] on either champion.

When Blocking or Attacked
If the hit dealt [Physical Damage], Temperature is [decreased] by 5, and Iceman [Freezes]. All attacks from Skill Champions are considered as Physical Attacks towards this ability.

Just make him a new kit instead of copy and pasting another champs.

Hoitado

Water is the opposite of Fire btw and No.

He is his own thing

Although I do strongly believe he should be immune to Coldsnap

Real_Madrid_76_2

Not quite useful in present day, but still one of the og quest clearers. And my second et 5 star too. I duped him from this month's cav crystal s

AMS94

Should he - Yes....not an exact copy, just something similar in his own way with burst frostbite damage & coldsnaps

Will they ever do it - Nope

Will a Coldsnap Frostbite immunity & higher damage satisfy most players of the community - Yes

HenriqueSCCP

He must have immunity to coldsnap and frostbite.
Increase the chance of placing frostbite when critting the opponent, instead of being just 45%, being 80% or 90% and increasing frostbite damage.
Increase coldsnap time on doubling and S1 to 16 or 18 seconds.
Increase damage on S3 which is very weak even with coldsnap (would be nice for every active frostbite on S3 opponent would cause extra coldsnap).