Why is this not in the game already?

FlameGod

I am genuinely interested in finding out what the reason is that Kabam is not tracking attacker deaths in the Alliance Wars game mode?

It seems like such an obvious statistic to track since they already track attacker kills and defender kills and send us in-game mail at the end of the war with this information. I'm just confused about how this isn't already a feature in the game especially after 31 seasons of Alliance Wars. Does anyone think this would be a helpful tool to figure out who is completely dragging the alliance down by being able to see how often they die each war?

Demonzfyre

I think you're confused.

Demonzfyre

Defender kills is attacker deaths. Attack bonus is counted off whether you die to a defender as well. Die 3 times and you lose the bonus.

Captainaiden

Isn't defender kills mean attacker death? If you wanna specific then ask your teammate

Maratox

Demonzfyre said:

Defender kills is attacker deaths. Attack bonus is counted off whether you die to a defender as well. Die 3 times and you lose the bonus.

OP wants to know which players specifically are the ones dying.

BigBuster

Demonzfyre said:

Defender kills is attacker deaths. Attack bonus is counted off whether you die to a defender as well. Die 3 times and you lose the bonus.

Great reading comprehension skills.

OP clearly asked: "Does anyone think this would be a helpful tool to figure out who is completely dragging the alliance down by being able to see how often they die each war?" They're asking to see a feature where it shows how many times individual players died, not total deaths. Maybe read the whole post next time.

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FlameGod

Demonzfyre said:

Defender kills is attacker deaths. Attack bonus is counted off whether you die to a defender as well. Die 3 times and you lose the bonus.

It is the same thing, but not in a format that is useful.

Firstly, defender kills and attack bonus are not the same Stat since attack bonus on 1 node caps out after 3 deaths, so attack bonus could be 327 out of 330, but defender kills could be 20 (only 3 count towards attack bonus).

Secondly, as some have stated from understanding my question, I want to know why individual deaths are not being tracked since they are tracking individual kills. They send 3 in-game mail at the end of a war match and 1 of them containes a stat sheet that provides each participants defender kills and attacker kills, but it does not include their deaths. With this mail I can see the worst player in the alliance killed 8 enemies, but I can't see how many times he died while killing those enemies.

Also, if kabam did not track attacker kills I would have no clue how many kills each player had in the war, so this is pretty useful info, but they just need to add deaths to their stat sheet to make this feature completely useful.

ItsDamien

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

FlameGod

ItsDamien said:

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

I can see your point, but I think it's more toxic when an alliance states wars optional, however, if you decide to join these are the ground rules and certain players join only to tank the match for the rest of the team. They don't apologize or communicate at any point and people are left wondering what happened while these players remain silent and proceed to join the next war again.

Our alliance doesn't boot without proof if you are being active and we aren't going to sit and monitor AW 24/7 to see who dies. Item use is meaningless. It obviously gives us an idea of who revived, but 1 team revive can equal up to 3 deaths so you could have max 6 deaths and 14/15 item usage.

We were a gold 2 alliance, trying to go for gold 1, but solid members quit the game because of life and now we're fighting to stay gold 3 with a record of 1- 3.

FlameGod

I literally had 1 player tell me he is not skilled and relies on revives to complete content. So I told him, do not join war unless we play 3 bg. Of course he joined, not once, but twice and we booted him after the second time and we lost both matches. How is that fair to the other 25+ members who are now each going to lose out on 2k - 4k 6* shards / 25% - 50% t5b / 10% - 20% t5cc ???

HunkyRanger

ItsDamien said:

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

Atleast the Leader and officers should get those details

Malreck04

ItsDamien said:

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

FlameGod

Malreck04 said:

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

I've never been in a Plat alliance but I feel like Plat 4 and above are pretty organized so they must already have an idea of who died. I don't think this additional stat will make much of a difference for the higher tiers. I've literally seen masters matches where there are 7 total deaths in 3bg. We are dealing with 20 - 40 deaths in 2bg and trying to figure out what happened is actually hard to do. I'm sure other alliances are in similar positions.

GroundedWisdom

That would just turn into a Kickfest.

Geralt_123

ItsDamien said:

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

No it won't if only this feature is available to Leader and officers

Geralt_123

FlameGod said:

Malreck04 said:

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

I've never been in a Plat alliance but I feel like Plat 4 and above are pretty organized so they must already have an idea of who died. I don't think this additional stat will make much of a difference for the higher tiers. I've literally seen masters matches where there are 7 total deaths in 3bg. We are dealing with 20 - 40 deaths in 2bg and trying to figure out what happened is actually hard to do. I'm sure other alliances are in similar positions.

Yes I do agree with you.If this feature available to only Leader and officers hopefully we can have proper look on each bg and plan according to it by changing path of that particular player or helping out to solve the issue he is facing on particular nodes and fights.
It just becomes annoying when you don't know who is dying how many times unless your officers eyes are open 24×7 which isn't possible anyway

GroundedWisdom

War is stressful enough as it is.

FlameGod

GroundedWisdom said:

War is stressful enough as it is.

I'm not understanding your perspective on this topic. I feel that winning wars would become less stressful if players that are accumulating multiple deaths could be spoken to and coached. If coaching does not help then unfortunately their skill level is not in line with the rest of the alliance and they must part ways. It's not fair to the rest of the team that they keep joining war and dragging the team down.

FlameGod

Geralt_123 said:

FlameGod said:

Malreck04 said:

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

I've never been in a Plat alliance but I feel like Plat 4 and above are pretty organized so they must already have an idea of who died. I don't think this additional stat will make much of a difference for the higher tiers. I've literally seen masters matches where there are 7 total deaths in 3bg. We are dealing with 20 - 40 deaths in 2bg and trying to figure out what happened is actually hard to do. I'm sure other alliances are in similar positions.

Yes I do agree with you.If this feature available to only Leader and officers hopefully we can have proper look on each bg and plan according to it by changing path of that particular player or helping out to solve the issue he is facing on particular nodes and fights.
It just becomes annoying when you don't know who is dying how many times unless your officers eyes are open 24×7 which isn't possible anyway

I didn't think of it like that, but yes for alliances that assign lanes they can communicate and try lane swaps if a certain player is consistently dying to the nodes. Maybe it was just the Champs that were placed that gave them trouble, but the main thing is that this info is useful for alliances if they want to climb in the ranks.

Geralt_123

FlameGod said:

Geralt_123 said:

FlameGod said:

Malreck04 said:

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

I've never been in a Plat alliance but I feel like Plat 4 and above are pretty organized so they must already have an idea of who died. I don't think this additional stat will make much of a difference for the higher tiers. I've literally seen masters matches where there are 7 total deaths in 3bg. We are dealing with 20 - 40 deaths in 2bg and trying to figure out what happened is actually hard to do. I'm sure other alliances are in similar positions.

Yes I do agree with you.If this feature available to only Leader and officers hopefully we can have proper look on each bg and plan according to it by changing path of that particular player or helping out to solve the issue he is facing on particular nodes and fights.
It just becomes annoying when you don't know who is dying how many times unless your officers eyes are open 24×7 which isn't possible anyway

I didn't think of it like that, but yes for alliances that assign lanes they can communicate and try lane swaps if a certain player is consistently dying to the nodes. Maybe it was just the Champs that were placed that gave them trouble, but the main thing is that this info is useful for alliances if they want to climb in the ranks.

Yes we are trying to move to Gold 1 in ranking playing with path assignment and 150 defenders diversity but it all goes to vain when we give kills more than expectation.
Usually I don't mind if someone dies once against some defender as it may happen but if they die twice or thrice then that's the issue and clearly they aren't approaching the fight in right way.
And since Kabam is generous enough with compensation so anybody can heal to full health and use invulnerability boost wherever needed, still dying that way hurts our goal. So it would be something nice if Kabam gives this feature to us.

Strangecraft069

Just ask people to share post fight ss

Strangecraft069

Strangecraft069 said:

Just ask people to share post fight ss

Full attack bonus achieved clearly states no death

Champ_Z

FlameGod said:

Malreck04 said:

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

I've never been in a Plat alliance but I feel like Plat 4 and above are pretty organized so they must already have an idea of who died. I don't think this additional stat will make much of a difference for the higher tiers. I've literally seen masters matches where there are 7 total deaths in 3bg. We are dealing with 20 - 40 deaths in 2bg and trying to figure out what happened is actually hard to do. I'm sure other alliances are in similar positions.

Yep you are right. Plat 2 player here, we just make a list of deaths for every war. Not as a toxic thing or anything, just so that if someone is dying more and more we'll assign them an easier path. Also we got a rule, 1 death is fine. But 2 deaths over a same champion, then you stop fighting that champion. Tell someone else in the alliance to take that fight

AverageDesi

Malreck04 said:

ItsDamien said:

Needing to know who died and how many times sounds kind of toxic, not gonna lie.

Was gonna say this, it'd definitely worsen the toxicity going on in like gold-plat alliances

What's toxic is people dying to fights they're not assigned, or dying to fights they're assigned and not telling it to officers and costing the ally unnecessary deaths by not waiting for backup.

There is zero reason you hide your deaths from the ally when it affects every single person who is working hard for the tier rewards.

AverageDesi

GroundedWisdom said:

War is stressful enough as it is.

So you hide deaths and screw up battle plans?

GroundedWisdom

AverageDesi said:

GroundedWisdom said:

War is stressful enough as it is.

So you hide deaths and screw up battle plans?

What's hidden? We can see play-by-play what happens, how many KOs, who uses Items....nothing is hidden.
Adding a KO counter would just encourage people to watch it and add another layer to booting people. We don't need any added pressure. The system is designed to pressure people enough as it is.

AverageDesi

GroundedWisdom said:

AverageDesi said:

GroundedWisdom said:

War is stressful enough as it is.

So you hide deaths and screw up battle plans?

What's hidden? We can see play-by-play what happens, how many KOs, who uses Items....nothing is hidden.
Adding a KO counter would just encourage people to watch it and add another layer to booting people. We don't need any added pressure. The system is designed to pressure people enough as it is.

Item use means nothing . You can use 15 items and die 0 times and use zero items and die 3 times. Someone has to stay and babysit the war map to see who dies and who does not by watching ecah player move. If deaths are not hidden as you claim then what's the porblem in showing it clearly

FlameGod

AverageDesi said:

GroundedWisdom said:

AverageDesi said:

GroundedWisdom said:

War is stressful enough as it is.

So you hide deaths and screw up battle plans?

What's hidden? We can see play-by-play what happens, how many KOs, who uses Items....nothing is hidden.
Adding a KO counter would just encourage people to watch it and add another layer to booting people. We don't need any added pressure. The system is designed to pressure people enough as it is.

Item use means nothing . You can use 15 items and die 0 times and use zero items and die 3 times. Someone has to stay and babysit the war map to see who dies and who does not by watching ecah player move. If deaths are not hidden as you claim then what's the porblem in showing it clearly

Exactly. I don't think people understand that attacker deaths are hidden lmao. You are relying on players being honest, but HONESTLY speaking, most players either do not willingly tell you they messed up or they lie when asked. Like you reiterated, item use is meaningless, so unless we babysit the war we won't know who actually died if they don't communicate.

For those that say "then you should promote communication" ... we already do. Some are open to it and others just don't want to talk to random guys/girls on an online game so we aren't going to boot them for that.

As an officer if I mess up, I post to in-game chat to let everyone know it was me.