Poison, recovery and willpower - healing calculation question

mortenhy

Have I calculated this correctly?
(Each time I get a new type of debuff):

Let's say I have 1 point in Willpower, I heal 0.5% HP per second. With maxed out Recovery I heal 0.575 per second.

Let's say I have 3 point in Willpower and maxed out Recovery I heal
0.805% per second right?

So with maxed out Recovery, if you go from 1 point in Willpower to 3 points, you heal around 2.6% more each second?

If my calculations are more or less accurate, with 3 points in Willpower we heal like 40% more with 3 points compared to 1 point... I would say that's pretty good right?

I'm not sure if I calculated this correctly, so please don't use this post as a valid source of information until someone with more knowledge can verify this.

And since poison reduce healing with 30%, if we max out Recovery we are down to 15% right? And with Willpower active even less?

Sorry for the english spelling btw.

TitoBandito187

All I know is .. if running suicides and not double immune, you need 3 points in willpower to stand any sort of chance of not killing yourself in 2 fights. If not running suicides, 1 point in willpower is good. Everyone should run willpower though - it pays off in spades.

StevieManWonder

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

Bulmkt

Remember Liquid Courage being a poison makes healing 30% less effective

Mother_Flerken

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

Might want to add that for this to work you would want to max glass cannon to achieve healing more than you lose from poison since suicides work based on modified health and willpower on base health. With 1/3 in glass cannon you will lose more than you heal from the poison with max willpower and recovery (excluding any resistances that would reduce poison damage or increase healing otherwise).

mortenhy

Mattyy said:

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

Might want to add that for this to work you would want to max glass cannon to achieve healing more than you lose from poison since suicides work based on modified health and willpower on base health. With 1/3 in glass cannon you will lose more than you heal from the poison with max willpower and recovery (excluding any resistances that would reduce poison damage or increase healing otherwise).

Ahh amazing information thanks mate

mortenhy

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

Thanks for the reply and yes it certainly helps.

mortenhy

Bulmkt said:

Remember Liquid Courage being a poison makes healing 30% less effective

Thanks for the answer, I believe I mentioned that in my post..if I didn't make it clear I'm sorry about that.

mortenhy

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

With the -30% healing and even with maxed out Recovery, I can't figure out how you can gain any health mate? I tried to calculate again..can you please explain? I'm only talking about the recoil tree poison.

AverageDesi

mortenhy said:

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

With the -30% healing and even with maxed out Recovery, I can't figure out how you can gain any health mate? I tried to calculate again..can you please explain? I'm only talking about the recoil tree poison.

You can "gain"+3 health if you run max salve

mortenhy

AverageDesi said:

mortenhy said:

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

With the -30% healing and even with maxed out Recovery, I can't figure out how you can gain any health mate? I tried to calculate again..can you please explain? I'm only talking about the recoil tree poison.

You can "gain"+3 health if you run max salve

It's health points if you look in the description..Salve is worth nothing unless you use a 2* champ..maxed out it will give you 8 health points per second in 60 seconds. 8 x 60 is 480. Let's say you max out Recovery too. That's+15% of 480 = 72 + 480 = 552 health points... that's nothing.

I could be wrong mate, but Recovery say's % and Salve doesn't.

Malreck04

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

You don't heal more, you heal just enough so that you don't constantly lose health. This is with max recov, willpower and glass cannon

mortenhy

Malreck04 said:

StevieManWonder said:

Not sure if this answers your question or not, but if you max both Willpower and Recovery, you will heal more than the poison from Suicides will damage you

You don't heal more, you heal just enough so that you don't constantly lose health. This is with max recov, willpower and glass cannon

I'm sorry.. I'm not that good at english.. and I know you explain it before...but I'm trying to learn... so forgive me for asking...but I don't understand why Glass Canon would have an impact?
I don't run suicide usually, but let's say I put on only the poison suicide and I use a+20% health boost..then I feel like I'm loosing more health...and I believe that this is what you explained earlier...so you are saying that the less health, less damage from poison suicide?
Appreciate your input..and again I'm sorry that I don't quite understand.

mortenhy

@Malreck04 ohh I think I understand it mate..the poison suicide is %, so if I put on a health boost I loose more health..but even with willpower and Recovery and Glass Canon maxed out, you think it will be equal to the loss of HP?

AverageDesi

mortenhy said:

@Malreck04 ohh I think I understand it mate..the poison suicide is %, so if I put on a health boost I loose more health..but even with willpower and Recovery and Glass Canon maxed out, you think it will be equal to the loss of HP?

Yes. Max willpower and glass canon will cancel out poison damage

Malreck04

glass cannon - reduces base health
willpower - heals % of base health
liquid courage - deals % of max health

with boosts, max health increases, poison damage increases, but base health is fixed, willpower healing is fixed. Thus you take more damage than you heal.

AverageDesi

Malreck04 said:

glass cannon - reduces base health
willpower - heals % of base health
liquid courage - deals % of max health

with boosts, max health increases, poison damage increases, but base health is fixed, willpower healing is fixed. Thus you take more damage than you heal.

*Glass canon reduces max health

mortenhy

AverageDesi said:

mortenhy said:

@Malreck04 ohh I think I understand it mate..the poison suicide is %, so if I put on a health boost I loose more health..but even with willpower and Recovery and Glass Canon maxed out, you think it will be equal to the loss of HP?

Yes. Max willpower and glass canon will cancel out poison damage

Thanks mate

mortenhy

Malreck04 said:

glass cannon - reduces base health
willpower - heals % of base health
liquid courage - deals % of max health

with boosts, max health increases, poison damage increases, but base health is fixed, willpower healing is fixed. Thus you take more damage than you heal.

Thanks