The MCOC AI situation... Sentient.

I just wanna throw out my opinion and thoughts after watching Richtheman's video.
As someone who has played many of fighting games throughout my life(including MK2) I know hard ai when I see it.
Now, onto the topic at hand.
As stated by Miike, the ai has never been altered with.
That's where the "sentient" part in the title comes in.
Why?
Because Kabam somehow created an ai that learns from every player to counter everything to the point where nothing tends to work like it used to.
That's not conspiracy talk, btw, that's the other road if it ain't an ai occasionally tempered with.
It's not uncommon, MK2 has something like that, too.
Honestly, I wouldn't be mad if it's tempered with, because at this point, I think an update to the ai's behavior is what is needed.
For starters on the sentient ai's modern antics, 5 hit combos into specials but the specials are blocked despite the opponent being in a hit state, intercepted by an intercept during an intercept attempt, the ai stopping long enough so that you don't parry and they catch you off guard completely, the ai hoarding their specials like a dragon even with taunts, the ai using their special 3 immediately after gaining it, the ai whiffing and doing random heavies that are instant, etc.
In other fighting games, you know, since it was shown in Rich's video, I'm gonna compare MCOC's ai to MK2's ai because they're both cheaters lol.
In MK2, there's at the very least ways to cheat the ai.
For starters, Shang Tsung's HP spam.
The closest equivalent is She Hulk's heavy spam in MCOC, which has been patched long ago.
Also, MK2 has much more mobility in terms of buttons and jumping and ducking, which is why I don't like comparing the two, as there's ways around the unfair ai.
MCOC, you only get so many buttons and movement to work with.
Which goes to my main point of this post.
If the ai truly hadn't been tweaked to be harder, then I ask, can you at the very least lower the sentient unfair difficultly?

Comments

LetsPlay

To be honest I thought you were going to the old AQ sentinel issue until I fully read. For those of us playing that long. The last time I remember Mike coming out definitively saying, AI was not touched, is when they touched the AÍ for Sentinel and the sp1 wasn’t evadable anymore. We went through weeks of AQ with them saying it never was evadable to us, I assume trying to make us believe it. Then finally coming out and saying, it was an accident or something else made it happen. So we need to take the post about AÍ changes with a grain of salt lol.

Molag

AMS94

I highly doubt MCOC AI being sentient or ever evolving
There has definitely been some AI tempering & it's quite noticeable
It always happens & they always give the same reply saying that nothing has been touched at their end
Older players are well aware of this
Most of the times they don't even respond to AI related complaints
May be with all the other issues with the game & compensation being stopped, they thought it was better for them to respond this time to do some damage control

Suros_moon

Machine learning could explain the increased AI performance. The AI have even been throwing specials after combos which is unheard of. If it were the case then it could lend itself to the “no intentional changes statement” as the devs themselves wouldnt need to manually change anything. The iterations of AIs that got a ko would be preferentially re-used until certain behaviors (like light intercepting, using sp3s, or playing passively) became much more standard. In fact machine learning adequately describes wvery phenomenon we’ve encountered and considering the number of fights that occur on a daily basis it would be a perfect platform to use it. The word “sentient” belies a little too much credit on the AIs part- its more appropriately characterized as able to analyze success and repeat certain behaviors.

Now this theory is EASILY debunked. If @Kabam Miike asks the dev team if the AI utilizes machine learning they should know immediately if it is the case. There is no way you accidentally set up an AI to do so. Im a CS guy myself and can guarantee (as can anyone other coders in the forums) that it is impossible to stumble into.

If its not the case then were back to square one int terms of identification of the problem but Id like to have this question settled as a matter of good faith on the teams part.

unknown

This content has been removed.

Qwerty12345

I think there is a line in between AI always behving the same, and how saw in speed running some games you know exactly what will happen every frame, no or predictable RNG, etc., and "input sniffing".

There definately are things the AI does that no human can do, like throw a SP3 before the bar turns red because it knows the clock cycle that power gain would happen / just makes it happen... but I don't feel like there is true input sniffing... or else all fights would feel like the 7.4.6 boss's counters, except AI would just counter everything.

That said... the fact that changes happen with "unintended side effects" that get released with the frequency they do, and without plans to "roll back said releases" should make every developer cringe... and there needs to be fewer of these events.

Kabam Miike

Hey everybody,

MCOC's dev team does not use machine learning in developing our in-game AI; we promise the AI is not sentient. We understand the perception of the AI changing held by some players in the community and we continue to have an open dialogue with the MCOC devs.

We've been informed, as you know, that there have been no active changes to the AI. However, there is a possibility that changes elsewhere in the game engine have impacted AI performance.

Omega007Haze

Hey everybody,

MCOC's dev team does not use machine learning in developing our in-game AI; we promise the AI is not sentient. We understand the perception of the AI changing held by some players in the community and we continue to have an open dialogue with the MCOC devs.

We've been informed, as you know, that there have been no active changes to the AI. However, there is a possibility that changes elsewhere in the game engine have impacted AI performance.

Yeah, you think?? This is total bs. This AI is completely frustrating. There should be no reason why i'm grinding Arenas and the fights are taking so long. Im using 5* R5/6* R3 with suicides, fighting opponents that are lower rated than my champions with less attack less health and less capable of damge, but the AI enhanced opponents are doing more damage and passively blocking using parry and waiting till i move to coounter me and slap me in the face. Total mf'ing bs!!! STOP MESSING WITH THE GAME!!!!. This **** started weeks and weeks ago with the intro of Solo Objectives in Arenas for **** A$$ CRYSTAL SHARDS for the monthly NEW crystal. This months flavor being the Multiverse Crystal shards and the "Team Variants". Which your RNG also gives nothing of worth. And also, your devs RNG on the units earned through Battlechips has also been messed with. Units should be dropping much more from Arena crystals than they are, according to the DROP RATES!!! But no, plenty of gold and no units. Typical of what I have come to expect the closer we get to July 4th deals.
Well, i just dont care anymore. Your RNG sux, your AI sux, and I will not give a dam to spend any money with you ongoing.
YOU ARE CLEARLY CHEATING THE PLAYERS OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY AND TIME!!!... and that is such a shame.
I will be better served taking my $600 cash and holding it until i can get my hands on a PS5...