Pay To Win Daily Offers vs Top 10 AW Season Rewards

mariuszzzz

BitterSteel

AW season rewards need to be boosted now. These daily offers make it so demoralising to push high in War.

If you can buy a whole AW seasons worth of items for £35 and keep buying it over and over, it kinda devalues doing war. Why bother when you can just buy more than the rewards?

I don’t think it’s a good offer to keep permanently. If it was one off, sure, but not constantly.

Buff AW rewards because this shouldn’t be a game where you can consistently get more than the highest skill mode rewards, for just £35.

AMS94

BitterSteel said:

AW season rewards need to be boosted now. These daily offers make it so demoralising to push high in War.

If you can buy a whole AW seasons worth of items for £35 and keep buying it over and over, it kinda devalues doing war. Why bother when you can just buy more than the rewards?

I don’t think it’s a good offer to keep permanently. If it was one off, sure, but not constantly.

Buff AW rewards because this shouldn’t be a game where you can consistently get more than the highest skill mode rewards, for just £35.

With the amount of R4 mat we're seeing these days in EQ, SQ & paid offers, the AW & AQ don't just need a boost but they need a very significant boost
More increase than they've ever done in the past
And that is where I'm doubtful as I believe they won't do that

DrZola

Not just AW. Compare the items available to Carina’s as well. The offers are better.

Dr. Zola

Searmenis

I for one, I won't be doing any more Carina's challenges. Too much frustration and time consuming. Especially the 1st batch.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Yeh they seriously need to nerf these offers

BitterSteel

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Yeh they seriously need to nerf these offers

I’ll not often agree with your views on spending and P2W, but this offer is too much.

It should only be purchasable once every few months, if that often. It puts rewards you can get by playing to shame.

July 4th and Cyber weekend is one thing, but something you can buy weekly that is the same or better than AW seasons is silly.

TrubluMate

I buy good value deals, and I honestly think these deals are amazing. That is a huge problem when you can get those rewards on a regular basis just by spending, and those bought rewards can be repeatedly obtained at faster intervals than war.

It leads to the fact that AW and AQ need seriously buffed rewards.

ReignkingTW

This is exactly what Brian Grant warned about at the beginning of the year.

Colinwhitworth69

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

Mackey

I think as long as the war rewards (and AQ) are buffed to be better than these deals then the deals are perfectly fine. Currently it's a big kick in the teeth for the those in high tier wars but once they are raises up accordingly then balance will be back

DrZola

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Yeh they seriously need to nerf these offers

Nah, just keep them around for a week or so. Then go ahead and nerf them.

Dr. Zola

Aceymcoc

So you can get 4 times the amount of materials save boosts potions and revives and save yourself a bunch of time than if you were to do a season of alliance war so it’s a 4/1 ratio, nice good job kabam

Wicket329

I imagine that AW rewards will be getting a massive overhaul after this season, and AQ rewards probably aren’t far behind. I think it’s clear that Kabam is starting the process of transitioning R4 champions into more availability across the board, it’s just unfortunate that they rolled this particular part of that effort out before they updated AQ and AW.

It does concern me a bit though, because the sooner that R4 champions reach saturation, the sooner we will have to see R5 and whatever is coming after 6* champions. We still have very little idea what that will look like, and with the way R4 materials are flowing currently, we will likely have to find out soon.

FiiNCH

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Kirklin

Aceymcoc said:

So you can get 4 times the amount of materials save boosts potions and revives and save yourself a bunch of time than if you were to do a season of alliance war so it’s a 4/1 ratio, nice good job kabam

The fact loyalty is an issue now. I'm finding myself spending units to buy war potions won't be long until I have to spend money to get war potions, boost and invulnerable boost too.

Gamer

FiiNCH said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Im find with the offer stat tge way it is. If there’s balccon AQ and AW hell giv 2 tier 3 aplha and. T6b for master.

xNig

Wicket329 said:

I imagine that AW rewards will be getting a massive overhaul after this season, and AQ rewards probably aren’t far behind. I think it’s clear that Kabam is starting the process of transitioning R4 champions into more availability across the board, it’s just unfortunate that they rolled this particular part of that effort out before they updated AQ and AW.

It does concern me a bit though, because the sooner that R4 champions reach saturation, the sooner we will have to see R5 and whatever is coming after 6* champions. We still have very little idea what that will look like, and with the way R4 materials are flowing currently, we will likely have to find out soon.

I was having that thought too, the acceleration towards R4s seems very obvious now, as though a dam having collapse.

The AW rewards revamp might come together with the whitelist/blacklist of champs.

Aceymcoc

Kirklin said:

Aceymcoc said:

So you can get 4 times the amount of materials save boosts potions and revives and save yourself a bunch of time than if you were to do a season of alliance war so it’s a 4/1 ratio, nice good job kabam

The fact loyalty is an issue now. I'm finding myself spending units to buy war potions won't be long until I have to spend money to get war potions, boost and invulnerable boost too.

Just use the ones that’s in the weekly compensation they took away, oh wait

Burrito2525

I think it’s 2 sided here, people who spend money keep the game going, as a reward they progress higher…faster.. there are ways to progress in the game free, it just takes a lot of work… grind arena, do high aq and aw, etc… or spend money.

Nothing needs to be nerfed from this new daily special but it would be nice to boost some of the free to play rewards in the game.

The whole notion though that people who are ftp deserve the same opportunity and rewards as paying players is absurd though, if that was the case no one would spend..and the game would die

Vendemiaire

Was excited for Paragon because of the chase but damn, that was fast. Chasing for the peak has lost its meaning too quick.

Midnightfox

Well it’s a players choice. Play to win or pay to win.

FiiNCH

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Im find with the offer stat tge way it is. If there’s balccon AQ and AW hell giv 2 tier 3 aplha and. T6b for master.

Sorry it’s difficult to understand what you’ve said there?

Gamer

FiiNCH said:

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Im find with the offer stat tge way it is. If there’s balccon AQ and AW hell giv 2 tier 3 aplha and. T6b for master.

Sorry it’s difficult to understand what you’ve said there?

As long there’s plans to balance it with buff the AQ and AW rewards I’m don’t se a problem with the offer to be honest I’m much rather buy this then the one before

Deacon

I don't think rewards need boosting in response to these offers. People commented that high tier war costs nothing and people should just "git gud" ... in essence saying war costs nothing. So we're pitting free rewards vs paid rewards again and there is meant to be a disparity. So play War and get free rewards or spend. It's up to the player. Kabam isn't forcing anyone to buy this. If you'd rather be "gud" and war for rewards, keep doing that. But you can't be mad at someone who opts to spend because they don't like war.

The game rewards those who spend and that's just game economy 101.

FiiNCH

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Im find with the offer stat tge way it is. If there’s balccon AQ and AW hell giv 2 tier 3 aplha and. T6b for master.

Sorry it’s difficult to understand what you’ve said there?

As long there’s plans to balance it with buff the AQ and AW rewards I’m don’t se a problem with the offer to be honest I’m much rather buy this then the one before

Yea agreed, but whilst the rewards are as they are, this offer isn’t balanced. Let’s hope they update them soon

Gamer

FiiNCH said:

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Gamer said:

FiiNCH said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.

These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.

A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.

You’re completely missing the point. The value in these offers cause a big imbalance in in-game rewards, even at the very top levels of competitive play.

Yes Kabam need to make money, but the game also needs to remained ‘fairly’ balanced. These offers tip the scales too much.

Im find with the offer stat tge way it is. If there’s balccon AQ and AW hell giv 2 tier 3 aplha and. T6b for master.

Sorry it’s difficult to understand what you’ve said there?

As long there’s plans to balance it with buff the AQ and AW rewards I’m don’t se a problem with the offer to be honest I’m much rather buy this then the one before

Yea agreed, but whilst the rewards are as they are, this offer isn’t balanced. Let’s hope they update them soon

I’m sure there’s wil I’m not even worried as much as offer is but understand the frustration it may get but this’ll offer isn’t that’s overpowering since even Side event giv more then AW dos

Burrito2525

I’d also argue that the term pay to win is false, in fact, those of us who spend (me included) are the true losers here. The free to play crowd is enjoying the game at no cost while some of us could have bought cars at this point with the amount spent… so whose winning here?

BitterSteel

DeaconVelvet said:

I don't think rewards need boosting in response to these offers. People commented that high tier war costs nothing and people should just "git gud" ... in essence saying war costs nothing. So we're pitting free rewards vs paid rewards again and there is meant to be a disparity. So play War and get free rewards or spend. It's up to the player. Kabam isn't forcing anyone to buy this. If you'd rather be "gud" and war for rewards, keep doing that. But you can't be mad at someone who opts to spend because they don't like war.

The game rewards those who spend and that's just game economy 101.

You’re conflating quite a few things here.

People said that you didn’t need to spend in war to be at the top, not that 1) people don’t spend, 2) war doesn’t take an immense amount of time in planning/effort and 3) war doesn’t take a lot of skill

If you can get around all that by spending £5 a day for a week, that devalues all of the effort, time, skill and yes, spending if people spend that it takes to get to masters in war.

Yes, of course there is meant to be a difference between spending and playing, but there gets a certain point where it’s too much. I, and clearly others, feel that point is here.

If Kabam offered 30 rank 4 champions and 3 champion selectors for £50 I think that would be bad for the economy of the game and the experience of the players. But by your logic you would respond like this

“we're pitting free rewards vs paid rewards again and there is meant to be a disparity. So play War and get free rewards or spend. It's up to the player. Kabam isn't forcing anyone to buy this. If you'd rather be "gud" and war for rewards, keep doing that. But you can't be mad at someone who opts to spend because they don't like war.”

All of what you said applies to both the offers, but I think we both agree the offer I suggested is far too much. The difference is, we think this one is too much as well. So your defence of “kabam isn’t forcing anyone to but it” and everything else doesn’t really hold up.

Nobody is saying don’t have offers, they’re saying offers can give *too much* compared to the normal game and just playing. We think this one is too much, not that any advantage whatsoever is bad. Please bear that in mind and don’t conflate all these things.

GroundedWisdom

First off, those are Master Rewards. The Top 10 Alliances are getting that, and unless you're actually among them, pushing for it is obsolete.
Secondly, there are more Rewards for War than just those Frags.
The Offer is for Paragon Players. We've seen the same thing done with Mats that Players who hit TB hit. They always make them more available after the Milestone is reached. People also had a number of complaints about Para not having very many benefits thus far.
The game is, and will always be, a spending-optional game. It's a Freemium game.

Deacon

BitterSteel said:

DeaconVelvet said:

I don't think rewards need boosting in response to these offers. People commented that high tier war costs nothing and people should just "git gud" ... in essence saying war costs nothing. So we're pitting free rewards vs paid rewards again and there is meant to be a disparity. So play War and get free rewards or spend. It's up to the player. Kabam isn't forcing anyone to buy this. If you'd rather be "gud" and war for rewards, keep doing that. But you can't be mad at someone who opts to spend because they don't like war.

The game rewards those who spend and that's just game economy 101.

You’re conflating quite a few things here.

People said that you didn’t need to spend in war to be at the top, not that 1) people don’t spend, 2) war doesn’t take an immense amount of time in planning/effort and 3) war doesn’t take a lot of skill

If you can get around all that by spending £5 a day for a week, that devalues all of the effort, time, skill and yes, spending if people spend that it takes to get to masters in war.

Yes, of course there is meant to be a difference between spending and playing, but there gets a certain point where it’s too much. I, and clearly others, feel that point is here.

If Kabam offered 30 rank 4 champions and 3 champion selectors for £50 I think that would be bad for the economy of the game and the experience of the players. But by your logic you would respond like this

“we're pitting free rewards vs paid rewards again and there is meant to be a disparity. So play War and get free rewards or spend. It's up to the player. Kabam isn't forcing anyone to buy this. If you'd rather be "gud" and war for rewards, keep doing that. But you can't be mad at someone who opts to spend because they don't like war.”

All of what you said applies to both the offers, but I think we both agree the offer I suggested is far too much. The difference is, we think this one is too much as well. So your defence of “kabam isn’t forcing anyone to but it” and everything else doesn’t really hold up.

Nobody is saying don’t have offers, they’re saying offers can give *too much* compared to the normal game and just playing. We think this one is too much, not that any advantage whatsoever is bad. Please bear that in mind and don’t conflate all these things.

you guys are bordering very close on acting entitled to something. you're speaking as if Kabam owes you or those who play War some form of reparations because of this new offer and in my opinion they don't.

you can offer extremes but it's just my opinion that this isn't one of those. it's a great offer for people who spend money on the game. period. it doesn't and shouldn't cause any look at the current state of war rewards. war rewards are still really good and this offer is really good too.

I'm not sure why you guys are in a riff about it as if they both can't coexist.

do you ever hear spenders complaining that hey it's not fair that free to play can get what I can pay for ... if I'm spending I don't want those F2P guys to be able to get it.

like I said, it's smelling a bit like entitlement and that's disappointing as if you guys are the only ones who should get rank 4 champs or resources...my stuff should be better than their stuff etc.

cmon man. it's just a game.