Juggernaut buff needs a tweak

DarthVadid

He shouldn’t loose the cytorack gem when fighting cosmic champions. He should be great against KNULL terax and vision Arkus but he’s not because they place debuffs passively with out contact. Only against cosmics should this be exempt. The sp3 method isn’t practical. Please! Make this small change and make him a proper cosmic killer

Doosra

Imagine a stun immune juggernaut for eop
And fighting with cosmic champ as a objective

DarthVadid

KNULL
Surfer
Terax
Vision A
Annihilus
CGR
Can all counter Juggernauts gem without contact. That’s way to many cosmics that can weaken a champ with class advantage.

willrun4adonut

Doosra said:

Imagine a stun immune juggernaut for eop
And fighting with cosmic champ as a objective

Take that back.

DarthVadid

Doosra said:

Imagine a stun immune juggernaut for eop
And fighting with cosmic champ as a objective

Well that would be easy. That’s my point cosmics shouldn’t have such an Advantage

Yodabolt21

DarthVadid said:

KNULL
Surfer
Terax
Vision A
Annihilus
CGR
Can all counter Juggernauts gem without contact. That’s way to many cosmics that can weaken a champ with class advantage.

If this is your logic, then should Mags be nerfed because he shuts down 70% of the tech class.

DarthVadid

This is not unprecedented, for example Sorcer Supreme can’t SLOW a science champ

Doosra

DarthVadid said:

Doosra said:

Imagine a stun immune juggernaut for eop
And fighting with cosmic champ as a objective

Well that would be easy. That’s my point cosmics shouldn’t have such an Advantage

No it wouldn't if what you suggested is gone live

DarthVadid

Yodabolt21 said:

DarthVadid said:

KNULL
Surfer
Terax
Vision A
Annihilus
CGR
Can all counter Juggernauts gem without contact. That’s way to many cosmics that can weaken a champ with class advantage.

If this is your logic, then should Mags be nerfed because he shuts down 70% of the tech class.

Really! don’t be dumb Magnetos power is unprecedented and needs to be all metal. This is a small change that makes sense

Yodabolt21

Ahh yes, thanks for the insult. Your issue is that a class advantage isn’t a class advantage for 15% of the cosmic champs. Use a different mystic. Problem solved.

This is similar to Kingpin being awful against Void. Don’t use Kingpin against Void. Problem solved.

DarthVadid

Doosra said:

DarthVadid said:

Doosra said:

Imagine a stun immune juggernaut for eop
And fighting with cosmic champ as a objective

Well that would be easy. That’s my point cosmics shouldn’t have such an Advantage

No it wouldn't if what you suggested is gone live Yes! That’s the point why should a cosmic be able to shut him down so easily. This type of mechanics is already in the game Sorcer Supreme cant slow science

DarthVadid

Yodabolt21 said:

Ahh yes, thanks for the insult. Your issue is that a class advantage isn’t a class advantage for 15% of the cosmic champs. Use a different mystic. Problem solved.

This is similar to Kingpin being awful against Void. Don’t use Kingpin against Void. Problem solved.

Which is also dumb.

Wicket329

DarthVadid said:

This is not unprecedented, for example Sorcer Supreme can’t SLOW a science champ

Slow doesn’t work with class disadvantage, that’s not unique to Sorcerer Supreme. Shang Chi can’t slow Mutants, SpiderGwen and She-Hulk can’t slow Skill, etc. That’s how that mechanic works.

To just make a blanket statement that Cosmic champions cannot disable the gem would be broken. And it’s not difficult to reactivate the gem in those fights anyway. Personally, I’d say he should be armor break immune while the gem is active (still susceptible to armor break if you can deactivate the gem with a parry or other debuff first), but it’s not a champion killer that he isn’t.

DarthVadid

DarthVadid said:

Yodabolt21 said:

Ahh yes, thanks for the insult. Your issue is that a class advantage isn’t a class advantage for 15% of the cosmic champs. Use a different mystic. Problem solved. OMG I never thought of that use another mystic jeez your swell I’m so glad I come to the forums it really furthers my experience with this game and humanity

DarthVadid

Let’s make a champ immune to reverse controls and a powerful mystic. Which cosmic has reverse controls oh KNULL. But wait the mechanics that stop reverse controls is stopped by KNULL. Oh now I see makes sense

Wicket329

DarthVadid said:

Let’s make a champ immune to reverse controls and a powerful mystic. Which cosmic has reverse controls oh KNULL. But wait the mechanics that stop reverse controls is stopped by KNULL. Oh now I see makes sense

Knull’s control reversing mechanics can be negated by literally any champion in the game. All you have to do is be throwing a special when the encroaching corruption timer runs out, and he won’t reverse your controls.

DarthVadid

Wicket329 said:

DarthVadid said:

This is not unprecedented, for example Sorcer Supreme can’t SLOW a science champ

Slow doesn’t work with class disadvantage, that’s not unique to Sorcerer Supreme. Shang Chi can’t slow Mutants, SpiderGwen and She-Hulk can’t slow Skill, etc. That’s how that mechanic works.

To just make a blanket statement that Cosmic champions cannot disable the gem would be broken. And it’s not difficult to reactivate the gem in those fights anyway. Personally, I’d say he should be armor break immune while the gem is active (still susceptible to armor break if you can deactivate the gem with a parry or other debuff first), but it’s not a champion killer that he isn’t.

Not a bad idea. Armor break immunity would be nice. But it would not be broken he would just be really good against cosmics. Why wouldn’t that make sense. Black widow OG is less effective against mutants and electro is less effective against skill

DarthVadid

Wicket329 said:

DarthVadid said:

Let’s make a champ immune to reverse controls and a powerful mystic. Which cosmic has reverse controls oh KNULL. But wait the mechanics that stop reverse controls is stopped by KNULL. Oh now I see makes sense

Knull’s control reversing mechanics can be negated by literally any champion in the game. All you have to do is be throwing a special when the encroaching corruption timer runs out, and he won’t reverse your controls.

This is why the forums are a waste land. Do you really think I don’t know that. Why you forum trolls go after any positive suggestions to make the game better is beyond me. Do you sit in front of your phone tapping a screen and feel like a god of MCOC knowledge that must dispel your grand wisdom

Captainaiden

No, and don't be angry if someone didn't agree with it

Buttehrs

Name checks out

Wicket329

DarthVadid said:

Wicket329 said:

DarthVadid said:

Let’s make a champ immune to reverse controls and a powerful mystic. Which cosmic has reverse controls oh KNULL. But wait the mechanics that stop reverse controls is stopped by KNULL. Oh now I see makes sense

Knull’s control reversing mechanics can be negated by literally any champion in the game. All you have to do is be throwing a special when the encroaching corruption timer runs out, and he won’t reverse your controls.

This is why the forums are a waste land. Do you really think I don’t know that. Why you forum trolls go after any positive suggestions to make the game better is beyond me. Do you sit in front of your phone tapping a screen and feel like a god of MCOC knowledge that must dispel your grand wisdom

Wow, this got really aggressive really quickly. I’m the same person who suggested armor break immunity rather than the always-on gem, but I guess any amount of disagreement makes me a troll.

Making Juggernaut’s gem permanent against Cosmics is not a positive suggestion to make the game better. It would be wildly overpowered and objectively bad for the game. You’d have a champion with 100% unstoppable uptime against 1/6th of the game. That’s nonsense.

I explained Knull’s mechanic because you seemed to think that the Mystic class needed a specific counterplay option to it. It doesn’t. Also, Juggernaut can activate his gem by throwing any special at Knull and will keep it active for the duration of the fight so long as you aren’t trying to parry mediums from Knull.

Juggernaut has some less than ideal Cosmic Matchups. Kingpin has some less than ideal Science matchups. Every class has fantastic champions with bad matchups in the class they are supposed to have advantage over. It’s okay. It happens. Nothing to scream at strangers over the internet about.