Victory Shield consumed after win?

xTackleBox

If the purpose of a victory shield is to save you from a loss, why does it get consumed after a win? There is no guaranteed value, especially for something worth more than a 6 star basic (currently 1250 units in the store). Most “shields” in games are only consumed after the first loss taken after it was activated. Just seems weird to me.

xTackleBox

Correcting myself now; 6 star basic is 1500 instead of 1250 units. But there are other things in the bundles as well.

Chatterofforums

Don't you have to click to use it before the fight starts? So you expect it not to be used after you click to use it?

MrSakuragi

It’s like how on Survivor an immunity idol is returned to you if you wouldn’t have been voted out.

xTackleBox

Chatterofforums said:

Don't you have to click to use it before the fight starts? So you expect it not to be used after you click to use it?

I know you activate it preemptively. I’m saying in some, maybe most games, the shield is only consumed after a loss, even if you activated it many wins before. That guarantees the value of the shield.

The first game that comes to mind is Trials of Osiris, Destiny’s competitive PvP mode. You buy a trials card with a “mercy token” active. This token persists until you lose, and is not consumed after winning, thus guaranteeing that it is used in your run up to completion.

That’s only what I’m familiar with, it just makes sense to me that something so expensive have value that is actually used and not taken from you after a positive outcome (winning). But I understand that’s just my perspective. I could be wrong.

Worknprogress

xTackleBox said:

Chatterofforums said:

Don't you have to click to use it before the fight starts? So you expect it not to be used after you click to use it?

I know you activate it preemptively. I’m saying in some, maybe most games, the shield is only consumed after a loss, even if you activated it many wins before. That guarantees the value of the shield.

The first game that comes to mind is Trials of Osiris, Destiny’s competitive PvP mode. You buy a trials card with a “mercy token” active. This token persists until you lose, and is not consumed after winning, thus guaranteeing that it is used in your run up to completion.

That’s only what I’m familiar with, it just makes sense to me that something so expensive have value that is actually used and not taken from you after a positive outcome (winning). But I understand that’s just my perspective. I could be wrong.

So expensive? A shield is 90 units...

Worknprogress

Not sure where you're pulling your numbers from

Chatterofforums

xTackleBox said:

Chatterofforums said:

Don't you have to click to use it before the fight starts? So you expect it not to be used after you click to use it?

I know you activate it preemptively. I’m saying in some, maybe most games, the shield is only consumed after a loss, even if you activated it many wins before. That guarantees the value of the shield.

The first game that comes to mind is Trials of Osiris, Destiny’s competitive PvP mode. You buy a trials card with a “mercy token” active. This token persists until you lose, and is not consumed after winning, thus guaranteeing that it is used in your run up to completion.

That’s only what I’m familiar with, it just makes sense to me that something so expensive have value that is actually used and not taken from you after a positive outcome (winning). But I understand that’s just my perspective. I could be wrong.

If it only activated if you lost, then what's the point of activating before the fight? In that case, wouldn't it make more sense to ask you after a loss if you wanted to use it?

Also, if you ever play black jack in a casino, I double dare you to ask for your "insurance" back if the dealer doesn't hit a 21.

tusharNair

xTackleBox said:

Chatterofforums said:

Don't you have to click to use it before the fight starts? So you expect it not to be used after you click to use it?

I know you activate it preemptively. I’m saying in some, maybe most games, the shield is only consumed after a loss, even if you activated it many wins before. That guarantees the value of the shield.

The first game that comes to mind is Trials of Osiris, Destiny’s competitive PvP mode. You buy a trials card with a “mercy token” active. This token persists until you lose, and is not consumed after winning, thus guaranteeing that it is used in your run up to completion.

That’s only what I’m familiar with, it just makes sense to me that something so expensive have value that is actually used and not taken from you after a positive outcome (winning). But I understand that’s just my perspective. I could be wrong.

Another game that comes in mind is Pubg Mobile, you activate the tier protection cards before matches and they are only consumed if you occur negative points. This is common across many competitive games, I had this question in back of my mind too. Thats what OP is saying and is valid.

One more thing I would like to add, if you accidently activate victory shield, why cant I deactivate it before I search matchmaking ! or am I missing something ?

tusharNair

example

xNig

Think of it this way.

The Victory Shield is an “insurance” to protect you against a loss.

Regardless of the match outcome, it SHOULD be consumed. Else it’ll open up a huge can of worms with spenders going up to infinity rating with the abuse of it.

SirGamesBond

xNig said:

Think of it this way.

The Victory Shield is an “insurance” to protect you against a loss.

Regardless of the match outcome, it SHOULD be consumed. Else it’ll open up a huge can of worms with spenders going up to infinity rating with the abuse of it.

I don't want to comment on the purpose of victory shield or how it should operate.

But they don't have value in gladiator circuit.
No one is going to infinity.

InsaneSkull

Another lame implementation of good feature. Glad i am out of BG circus.

Worknprogress

SirGamesBond said:

xNig said:

Think of it this way.

The Victory Shield is an “insurance” to protect you against a loss.

Regardless of the match outcome, it SHOULD be consumed. Else it’ll open up a huge can of worms with spenders going up to infinity rating with the abuse of it.

I don't want to comment on the purpose of victory shield or how it should operate.

But they don't have value in gladiator circuit.
No one is going to infinity.

If/when GC season rewards mater, they'd absolutely have value there

xNig

SirGamesBond said:

xNig said:

Think of it this way.

The Victory Shield is an “insurance” to protect you against a loss.

Regardless of the match outcome, it SHOULD be consumed. Else it’ll open up a huge can of worms with spenders going up to infinity rating with the abuse of it.

I don't want to comment on the purpose of victory shield or how it should operate.

But they don't have value in gladiator circuit.
No one is going to infinity.

Someone absolutely can go to infinity as long as they spend enough on buying Victory Shields and activate it for every single matchup.

This way the expected win/loss becomes +x/-0. Do it enough and ratings will keep climbing upwards, never down.

tusharNair

xNig said:

SirGamesBond said:

xNig said:

Think of it this way.

The Victory Shield is an “insurance” to protect you against a loss.

Regardless of the match outcome, it SHOULD be consumed. Else it’ll open up a huge can of worms with spenders going up to infinity rating with the abuse of it.

I don't want to comment on the purpose of victory shield or how it should operate.

But they don't have value in gladiator circuit.
No one is going to infinity.

Someone absolutely can go to infinity as long as they spend enough on buying Victory Shields and activate it for every single matchup.

This way the expected win/loss becomes +x/-0. Do it enough and ratings will keep climbing upwards, never down.

Isn't victory shield not applicable in GC, if no, then why is this ..lol

SirGamesBond

Idk what's the confusion here.

As the better players are qualifying to GC every passing day, due to which it is getting easier as the season progress.

Victory shields does not prevent loss of rating points in GC.
VS saves you the Victory Medals (Aegon Badge) in 'Victory Track'.
But Victory Track is not infinite. It stops when you achieve Vibranium.

And once you reach Vibranium and start competing in GC, VS can't be used anymore.