I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I agree that sandbagging should be removed as well as match making done based on prestige should be removed. Matchmaking should be based on what tier the players are in and nothing else.
Meaning someone in gold 3 should be eligible to face absolutely anyone in gold 3 regardless of prestige based on everyone fighting for same rewards. This thereby eliminates sandbagging as it would be irrelevant.
Exactly this. There are paragon players who can't reach gc but cav players who are already there. The rank rewards are same for everyone so everyone should be able match with everyone at their ranks. I'm a paragon player with 5 r4 champs and around 20 r3 champs. I face with players who has 10-15 r4 champs and rest is r3 latest released champion accounts in bronze while cav players are already in diamond or something. I don't think sandbagging should be a think but I think if we are all in bronze or silver or whatever, we should be able to face who was able reach there. The matchmaking should be fixed.
I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I agree that sandbagging should be removed as well as match making done based on prestige should be removed. Matchmaking should be based on what tier the players are in and nothing else.
Meaning someone in gold 3 should be eligible to face absolutely anyone in gold 3 regardless of prestige based on everyone fighting for same rewards. This thereby eliminates sandbagging as it would be irrelevant.
Exactly this. There are paragon players who can't reach gc but cav players who are already there. The rank rewards are same for everyone so everyone should be able match with everyone at their ranks. I'm a paragon player with 5 r4 champs and around 20 r3 champs. I face with players who has 10-15 r4 champs and rest is r3 latest released champion accounts in bronze while cav players are already in diamond or something. I don't think sandbagging should be a think but I think if we are all in bronze or silver or whatever, we should be able to face who was able reach there. The matchmaking should be fixed.
I faced with sooo many idooms, quicksilvers, titanias, galans, gorrs, rintrahs at r3 or r4. I'm a paragon player with only 5 r4 champions and 20 r3 champions not a whale or a lucky guy who gets newest champions from featured pools I don't think it is also fair for me to face with these accounts. They are not sandbagging but it absoloutly feels like that. While I have r2 6 stars or even 5 stars on my deck, theirs are filled with only r4 and r3 latest released 6 star champions.
It feels like that because the system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating.
Do you really believe that? Each season(there have only been 2 so far) gets reset completely at the end. It only lasts 4 weeks so what are you talking about when you mention the whole system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating?
I’ll say this, I hate the matchmaking. But I find it pretty ironic every says they either matched even accounts or much larger. Where are those large accounts who faced you? Are they bots as not a single summoner acknowledges getting easier matches here and there.
I’ve matched larger, similar and weaker rosters last season, without ever sandbagging. Won my fair share, even against stronger accounts by drafting better or playing better. Actually made it to Glad circuit. And am far from a whale. I can’t be the only one
1. If those large accounts we've faced didn't exist, Kabam wouldn't be changing matchmaking to prevent sandbagging. 2. Why would anyone go to the forums and say "hey I've been getting easy matches on battlegrounds", not only would you be shoving the issue on Kabam's face but you would also get hate, it would be like tripping yourself on purpose.
It feels like that because the system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating.
Do you really believe that? Each season(there have only been 2 so far) gets reset completely at the end. It only lasts 4 weeks so what are you talking about when you mention the whole system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating?
Yes. I believe that. People have been doing it long enough for the system to be affected. It would have been balanced by now. To be honest, the fact that we're even debating this is asinine to me. You can't have people intentionally alter the system and expect it to be unaffected.
I’ll say this, I hate the matchmaking. But I find it pretty ironic every says they either matched even accounts or much larger. Where are those large accounts who faced you? Are they bots as not a single summoner acknowledges getting easier matches here and there.
I’ve matched larger, similar and weaker rosters last season, without ever sandbagging. Won my fair share, even against stronger accounts by drafting better or playing better. Actually made it to Glad circuit. And am far from a whale. I can’t be the only one
I used all my top champs until like d2 until the matches were constantly matches higher than mine that i couldnt rank any higher
I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I agree that sandbagging should be removed as well as match making done based on prestige should be removed. Matchmaking should be based on what tier the players are in and nothing else.
Meaning someone in gold 3 should be eligible to face absolutely anyone in gold 3 regardless of prestige based on everyone fighting for same rewards. This thereby eliminates sandbagging as it would be irrelevant.
Exactly this. There are paragon players who can't reach gc but cav players who are already there. The rank rewards are same for everyone so everyone should be able match with everyone at their ranks. I'm a paragon player with 5 r4 champs and around 20 r3 champs. I face with players who has 10-15 r4 champs and rest is r3 latest released champion accounts in bronze while cav players are already in diamond or something. I don't think sandbagging should be a think but I think if we are all in bronze or silver or whatever, we should be able to face who was able reach there. The matchmaking should be fixed.
@Onurre2 I do agree that sandbagging needs to be removed and the matchmaking needs to be fixed but if the solution to the problem is this, then all you're doing is taking the weight off one area and applying it to another. If everyone fights everyone in their rank then lower level player would not be able to rank any higher because they are always going against larger accounts and the game mode would about who has the better roster instead of who is the most skilled and the mode suddenly becomes who can spend the most money and that would defeat the purpose of the gamemode for this to work they would need to make the rewards different for each progression level.
I’ll say this, I hate the matchmaking. But I find it pretty ironic every says they either matched even accounts or much larger. Where are those large accounts who faced you? Are they bots as not a single summoner acknowledges getting easier matches here and there.
I’ve matched larger, similar and weaker rosters last season, without ever sandbagging. Won my fair share, even against stronger accounts by drafting better or playing better. Actually made it to Glad circuit. And am far from a whale. I can’t be the only one
I used all my top champs until like d2 until the matches were constantly matches higher than mine that i couldnt rank any higher
I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I agree that sandbagging should be removed as well as match making done based on prestige should be removed. Matchmaking should be based on what tier the players are in and nothing else.
Meaning someone in gold 3 should be eligible to face absolutely anyone in gold 3 regardless of prestige based on everyone fighting for same rewards. This thereby eliminates sandbagging as it would be irrelevant.
Exactly this. There are paragon players who can't reach gc but cav players who are already there. The rank rewards are same for everyone so everyone should be able match with everyone at their ranks. I'm a paragon player with 5 r4 champs and around 20 r3 champs. I face with players who has 10-15 r4 champs and rest is r3 latest released champion accounts in bronze while cav players are already in diamond or something. I don't think sandbagging should be a think but I think if we are all in bronze or silver or whatever, we should be able to face who was able reach there. The matchmaking should be fixed.
@Onurre2 I do agree that sandbagging needs to be removed and the matchmaking needs to be fixed but if the solution to the problem is this, then all you're doing is taking the weight off one area and applying it to another. If everyone fights everyone in their rank then lower level player would not be able to rank any higher because they are always going against larger accounts and the game mode would about who has the better roster instead of who is the most skilled and the mode suddenly becomes who can spend the most money and that would defeat the purpose of the gamemode for this to work they would need to make the rewards different for each progression level.
When did Kabam ever say BG is supposed to be about being the most "skilled"? This is just a flawed argument that those with less developed roster keep repeating with zero merit to it.
Absolutely skill should play a role in BG, but roster should play just as much of a role otherwise what's the point of building up our rosters? And fyi, the money keeps the game going so money will always play a role in the competitive game modes.
Why should it even matter. Since the rewards are not tiered based on account progression then it should just be who you match up against. Why should lower end accounts get to play other lower end accounts and move up easier then higher accounts. It would end up working itself out. The higher players would win earlier and move up then lower accounts would start facing each other more as the season went on. As the players get in higher tiers with a lower account will the next complaint be I have no one to play or now I am facing higher accounts in higher tiers it’s not fair.
It feels like that because the system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating.
Do you really believe that? Each season(there have only been 2 so far) gets reset completely at the end. It only lasts 4 weeks so what are you talking about when you mention the whole system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating?
Yes. I believe that. People have been doing it long enough for the system to be affected. It would have been balanced by now. To be honest, the fact that we're even debating this is asinine to me. You can't have people intentionally alter the system and expect it to be unaffected.
You still didn’t answer the question. Just worded the same statement a different way. What are you talking about when you say the system is out of whack because of weeks of manipulating? All the ratings/tiers are reset at the end of the season. What exactly is out of whack in the system because of weeks of manipulating and what would have been balanced by now since ratings do not carry over from season to season.
It feels like that because the system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating.
Do you really believe that? Each season(there have only been 2 so far) gets reset completely at the end. It only lasts 4 weeks so what are you talking about when you mention the whole system is out of whack from weeks of manipulating?
Yes. I believe that. People have been doing it long enough for the system to be affected. It would have been balanced by now. To be honest, the fact that we're even debating this is asinine to me. You can't have people intentionally alter the system and expect it to be unaffected.
You still didn’t answer the question. Just worded the same statement a different way. What are you talking about when you say the system is out of whack because of weeks of manipulating? All the ratings/tiers are reset at the end of the season. What exactly is out of whack in the system because of weeks of manipulating and what would have been balanced by now since ratings do not carry over from season to season.
Meaning by the end of the Season, it would have been balanced. That's what naturally happens when people play through. Instead, we have people taking advantage of the Matchmaking. Now, I don't believe every single person doing this has some kind of vendetta. It's become a tactic. However, it's not part of the design. You have some playing to the best of their ability, some doing this, and some not investing much into it. It's affected the Matchmaking, and therefore the standings.
I’ll say this, I hate the matchmaking. But I find it pretty ironic every says they either matched even accounts or much larger. Where are those large accounts who faced you? Are they bots as not a single summoner acknowledges getting easier matches here and there.
I’ve matched larger, similar and weaker rosters last season, without ever sandbagging. Won my fair share, even against stronger accounts by drafting better or playing better. Actually made it to Glad circuit. And am far from a whale. I can’t be the only one
I used all my top champs until like d2 until the matches were constantly matches higher than mine that i couldnt rank any higher
I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I agree that sandbagging should be removed as well as match making done based on prestige should be removed. Matchmaking should be based on what tier the players are in and nothing else.
Meaning someone in gold 3 should be eligible to face absolutely anyone in gold 3 regardless of prestige based on everyone fighting for same rewards. This thereby eliminates sandbagging as it would be irrelevant.
Exactly this. There are paragon players who can't reach gc but cav players who are already there. The rank rewards are same for everyone so everyone should be able match with everyone at their ranks. I'm a paragon player with 5 r4 champs and around 20 r3 champs. I face with players who has 10-15 r4 champs and rest is r3 latest released champion accounts in bronze while cav players are already in diamond or something. I don't think sandbagging should be a think but I think if we are all in bronze or silver or whatever, we should be able to face who was able reach there. The matchmaking should be fixed.
@Onurre2 I do agree that sandbagging needs to be removed and the matchmaking needs to be fixed but if the solution to the problem is this, then all you're doing is taking the weight off one area and applying it to another. If everyone fights everyone in their rank then lower level player would not be able to rank any higher because they are always going against larger accounts and the game mode would about who has the better roster instead of who is the most skilled and the mode suddenly becomes who can spend the most money and that would defeat the purpose of the gamemode for this to work they would need to make the rewards different for each progression level.
When did Kabam ever say BG is supposed to be about being the most "skilled"? This is just a flawed argument that those with less developed roster keep repeating with zero merit to it.
Absolutely skill should play a role in BG, but roster should play just as much of a role otherwise what's the point of building up our rosters? And fyi, the money keeps the game going so money will always play a role in the competitive game modes.
@Chatterofforums dosent matter if they said it or not would you willingly want to play a mode where the deciding factor in victory has nothing to do with your own ability and prowess.
Yes money does have a role in the Competitive Scene, Should it? Absolutely not, Not when the purchases allow you to get a massive advantage over other players, It would be acceptable of the role it played wasnt so big.
Alot of people wont like to hear this cause this is the only game they play and they dont know what its like to live without cash offers holding their hand all the way through.
Roster isn't only an indication of spending. It's an indication of progress in the game as well. I'll admit I've spent a fair share, but I've also put work into building my Roster, acquiring Champs, doing content to Rank them, etc. I think it's somewhat limited to say it doesn't mean anything at all.
Sandbaggers are cheaters. They may be within the outer limits of the rules, but what they are doing is doping with a substance that is not on the doping list yet.
Everyone, including themselves, understands that this is cheating… but some of them are not smart enough to shut up, some even tries to defend what they are doing. Its like hearing the FIFA President speak to the world about human rights development in the Dictatorship of Qatar….
The matches are off because many people are manipulating it at the same time. Otherwise, people would progress and either keep going higher, or plateau. That's the cycle.
@GroundedWisdom So will the update fix this? I think its suppose to match players based on prestige but prestige is only top 5 champs and not 30 champs
Let's hope not. We were already getting pitted against Paragon with 12+. That is why people started this nonsense in the first place. Personally, I did not do the 2*, but did put in champs for a few matches that all were 4r4 or 4r5, 6r1, 5r3 or 4 to see if this was true. Then I put them back as I had confirmed it.
So if they do prestige of top 5 in deck, I am sure this is what will be happening. If they do actual prestige, then it will be rough on Paragon and TB sitting with a just few good champs. It needs to just be tier based, but a way where you are forced to win out after so long through the Victory rankings so you can't lose on purpose enough to stay in lower tiers and just tear up low accounts until near end of season.
@Anly to be fair, without the spenders we’d all be playing a different game. They are the ones keeping the lights on at Mcoc
@Vergeman78 Yes i do realize that, that is the truth for every game in existence, but every other game in existence dosent allow you to purchase things that give you huge advantages over other players and thats why pvp just wasnt meant for mcoc in any other game if you hop into a ranked mode it dosent matter what level you are or when you started playing the game you are given the same things as every other player and who ever is the most skilled wins in mcoc it takes a long time to build a roster and get good champs so if you hop into ranked it dosent matter how good you are you just lose there are too many variables in this game which makes pvp very hard to get right.
I dont think this mechanic works like people think it works, from my experience i would put 2 stars in my deck to find fair matches whenever i would use nothing but my best champs i would always get matched against people with accounts way bigger and better than my own and the same goes for my alliance mates when i did put 2 stars i was able to find fair matches their deck might've been a little better than mine or mine a little better than theirs but for the most part it was fair especially when you factor in the rng to draft champs in your deck. My question now is what am i suppose to do just go on a losing streak because im getting matched against accounts way better than mine? Or just wait till i get lucky win one match then proceed to lose the next 10 matches? If this is gonna be the case for the next season they need to change the point and rank system so that a certain point threshold lets say 0-50 points is stone 51-100 is silver and so on, and you can still gain point if you lose a match and the amount of points you get is based on how well you did that match.
This is exactly what I've been saying for weeks, top players sandbagging causes a domino effect that ruins the experience for everyone else that isn't at the top. It's getting fixed this upcoming season though so don't sweat it.
What many don't understand that the people you should be mad at is Kabam, not the sandbaggers. They are the ones who decided to put everyone in Bronze 3 with a win gaining 1 point.
I'm not mad at any sandbaggers for sandbagging, bad gamed design isn't their fault. However, if you sandbag and you talk as if it was something completely fair that shouldn't be removed from the game then that's a different situation
I've been pretty clear that there should be no "fair" matches and everyone should be able to match anyone else in their tier. The reason people, including yourself, sandbag is to manipulate the matchmaking system to gain easier matches. I'd prefer a system where that wasn't possible at all so there would be no advantage to sandbagging.
@Ironman3000 There should always be fair matches in the sense that a player should always have a chance to win against another player
Where did I say that people shouldn't have a chance to win matches?
@Ironman3000 "I've been pretty clear that there should be no "fair" matches"
That doesn't mean people should have a chance to win a match. Did you even read the context of what I've been saying? It's not hard to understand.
@Anly to be fair, without the spenders we’d all be playing a different game. They are the ones keeping the lights on at Mcoc
@Vergeman78 Yes i do realize that, that is the truth for every game in existence, but every other game in existence dosent allow you to purchase things that give you huge advantages over other players and thats why pvp just wasnt meant for mcoc in any other game if you hop into a ranked mode it dosent matter what level you are or when you started playing the game you are given the same things as every other player and who ever is the most skilled wins in mcoc it takes a long time to build a roster and get good champs so if you hop into ranked it dosent matter how good you are you just lose there are too many variables in this game which makes pvp very hard to get right.
One massive thing you are overlooking on your argument is that many (not all) of the other games that fit into the overall category of discussion have other avenues for making profit that doesn't fully rely on on game spending offers. Some games charge a fee to purchase the game, some charge monthly fees to have access to game and most that have neither of those have in game advertisements.
Since this game has none of the above supplement revenue sources as most other mobile games have, they 100% rely on in game offers to stay profitable and in business. If the in game offers don't allow what players consider to be a "worthy" advantage then very few would buy them, causing a chain reaction likely leading them to need a new way to gain profits (see above ways mentioned) or the game just shutting down all together.
That would probably make it worse. Let's say you have 16 maxed out 5* and then the rest aren't, if matchmaking took into account the first 15 champs you could end up getting matched with someone who has 30 maxed out 5*. Rating should not be taken into account when it comes to matchmaking at all, simple as that
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Absolutely skill should play a role in BG, but roster should play just as much of a role otherwise what's the point of building up our rosters? And fyi, the money keeps the game going so money will always play a role in the competitive game modes.
Yes money does have a role in the Competitive Scene, Should it? Absolutely not, Not when the purchases allow you to get a massive advantage over other players, It would be acceptable of the role it played wasnt so big.
Alot of people wont like to hear this cause this is the only game they play and they dont know what its like to live without cash offers holding their hand all the way through.
what they are doing is doping with a substance that is not on the doping list yet.
Everyone, including themselves, understands that this is cheating… but some of them are not smart enough to shut up, some even tries to defend what they are doing. Its like hearing the FIFA President speak to the world about human rights development in the Dictatorship of Qatar….
But today it is over…
So if they do prestige of top 5 in deck, I am sure this is what will be happening. If they do actual prestige, then it will be rough on Paragon and TB sitting with a just few good champs. It needs to just be tier based, but a way where you are forced to win out after so long through the Victory rankings so you can't lose on purpose enough to stay in lower tiers and just tear up low accounts until near end of season.
Since this game has none of the above supplement revenue sources as most other mobile games have, they 100% rely on in game offers to stay profitable and in business. If the in game offers don't allow what players consider to be a "worthy" advantage then very few would buy them, causing a chain reaction likely leading them to need a new way to gain profits (see above ways mentioned) or the game just shutting down all together.