Drop Rates

DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
edited February 2023 in Suggestions and Requests
Hello,

As many other players, i request that many missing drop rates have to be shown. Such as daily cristals for all levels. Also max sig cirstals and chalenger's objectives cristals.

That said, something is missing regarding the drop rates. 6, 5, stars etc drop rates are shown, but not the champion drop rates. and as everyone experienced, there is lot more chances to drop a classic spiderman rather than absorbing man. From Youtube videos, and my experience, i can tell its possible to get a 6 stars yondu 3 times on 5, but not a single "good champ" (list kabam didnt set up).
From players and community tier list you will always have higher chances to get low tier champions than high tier ones.

So i ask kabam to answer about this because its somthing important for the community, and i wouldn't have such important informations hidded intentionnaly to players.

Thanks.
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  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Kabam has already responded to this. Every champ has equal chance to drop unless it's a featured cav crystal
  • ChatterofforumsChatterofforums Member Posts: 1,779 ★★★★★
    Op, think your tinfoil hat on too tight. All champs have equal drop rates, unless otherwise posted in crystal.
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.
  • ChatterofforumsChatterofforums Member Posts: 1,779 ★★★★★
    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.
  • BazzingaaaBazzingaaa Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.
    There are more rubbish champions than god tier champions.
    That's why you have more chance of getting a rubbish champion.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.
    Then why this post? Just say it's rigged and move on instead of asking clarification if you're not going to accept it
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    DheyX said:

    Hello,

    As many other players, i request that many missing drop rates have to be shown. Such as daily cristals for all levels. Also max sig cirstals and chalenger's objectives cristals.

    That said, something is missing regarding the drop rates. 6, 5, stars etc drop rates are shown, but not the champion drop rates. and as everyone experienced, there is lot more chances to drop a classic spiderman rather than absorbing man. From Youtube videos, and my experience, i can tell its possible to get a 6 stars yondu 3 times on 5, but not a single "good champ" (list kabam didnt set up).
    From players and community tier list you will always have higher chances to get low tier champions than high tier ones.

    So i ask kabam to answer about this because its somthing important for the community, and i wouldn't have such important informations hidded intentionnaly to players.

    Thanks.

    You're beating a dead horse mate. We're never going to get any more reassurances than a mod telling you that drop rates are equal. Take it or leave it.
  • Ackbar67Ackbar67 Member Posts: 461 ★★★★
    If you don't believe the mods, why would you believe it if they put it in game?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,672 ★★★★★
    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
    If it doesn't prove they're equal then you're saying it's rigged in favour of the player . 7/14 featured when the expected drop is 4/14.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
    Also, this isn't bullying
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    Bazzingaaa said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.
    There are more rubbish champions than god tier champions.
    That's why you have more chance of getting a rubbish champion.
    how are you sure about that ? even when spinning a crystal it doesnt reflect the differents champions you can get. its a random animation but not more.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,876 ★★★★★
    Current featureds:
    3 Spot (🆕New)
    2 Angela (Awakening)
    2 Whags (Sigs)
    2 Gambit (Sigs)
    2 Sinister (Awakening)
    2 Sasquatch (Awakening)
    2 Mystic Spider (🆕New)
    1 Emma Frost (Awakening)
    2 Civil warrior (Sigs)
    1 Agent Venom (Awakening)
    1 Attuma (🆕New)
    1 Antman (Awakening)
    1 SpiderOG (Awakening)
    1 Venom (Sigs)
    1 Overseer (Awakening)
    1 Mantis (🆕New)
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    Shiroihara said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
    well drop rates are drop rates. you can be lucky, but in fact the drop rates of different "tier" champions isnt shown. Its not rigged, there is missing informations about crystal by my think.
  • OwenLeeOwenLee Member Posts: 19 ★
    As a player who’ve played this game for almost 6-7 years, spent idk an amount of money that could prolly buy a house or a nice car in this game. I can tell you confidently that ‘RNG’ or equal drop rates DO NOT exist in this game. For instance, I’ve opened more than 400-500 featured cavs, there was NOT single time I’ve pulled a 6* featured or should I say, hit that 0.3% chance. But for top players with over 4-5mill base rating, they somehow could easily pull more 5* and always managed to get the 6* featured in a range of 100 cavs, in comparison to me who only has 3mill base rating. I’ve also opened more than 60 of the new featureds, 0 absorbing man(who I want the most) so far regardless if I spin em, pop 5 or 10(- it doesn’t matter). The best explanation I’ve concluded for this is, is that the game’s ‘rng’ system is constructed in a way that it’s constantly ‘controlling & monitoring’ your roster growth. Just like your example, you’ll always find yourself pulling the same champ that u don’t care ab wayyy more than the ones you’ve been seeking for(like 3 king groots in 5 6* featureds, instead of 3 Iron doom in 5 instead). The moment you rank up a champ to r3 or sig em up high, you somehow will pull them much less in future & thats the turn for other bad or champs u dc about to come(we’ve seen evidence of this). Unless your roster is pretty much full with VERY few champs u haven’t pulled yet, it’s extremely difficult for u to pull the ones you haven’t had smoothly. I strongly believe my theory just cus I’ve seen/experienced this too much, and knowing Kabam.. or business in general(i have a degree in this). They just make too much sense.
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    edited February 2023
    dont get me wrong, im not saying its rigged and kabam is scamming us. Im saying that from experience mainly and others feedbacks, i am wondering why do we more often get low tier champs rather than high ones if chances are equals as said.
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    OwenLee said:

    As a player who’ve played this game for almost 6-7 years, spent idk an amount of money that could prolly buy a house or a nice car in this game. I can tell you confidently that ‘RNG’ or equal drop rates DO NOT exist in this game. For instance, I’ve opened more than 400-500 featured cavs, there was NOT single time I’ve pulled a 6* featured or should I say, hit that 0.3% chance. But for top players with over 4-5mill base rating, they somehow could easily pull more 5* and always managed to get the 6* featured in a range of 100 cavs, in comparison to me who only has 3mill base rating. I’ve also opened more than 60 of the new featureds, 0 absorbing man(who I want the most) so far regardless if I spin em, pop 5 or 10(- it doesn’t matter). The best explanation I’ve concluded for this is, is that the game’s ‘rng’ system is constructed in a way that it’s constantly ‘controlling & monitoring’ your roster growth. Just like your example, you’ll always find yourself pulling the same champ that u don’t care ab wayyy more than the ones you’ve been seeking for(like 3 king groots in 5 6* featureds, instead of 3 Iron doom in 5 instead). The moment you rank up a champ to r3 or sig em up high, you somehow will pull them much less in future & thats the turn for other bad or champs u dc about to come(we’ve seen evidence of this). Unless your roster is pretty much full with VERY few champs u haven’t pulled yet, it’s extremely difficult for u to pull the ones you haven’t had smoothly. I strongly believe my theory just cus I’ve seen/experienced this too much, and knowing Kabam.. or business in general(i have a degree in this). They just make too much sense.

    you point out something we've been thinking about with friends and that could for sure be linked to what im saying. I have 2 accounts and my friends who saw me openning crystals on this one just ended up telling me my 2nd account is blessed. Many good 6 stars for now, not much champs in my roaster. If i spend money on the second acc it pay off, on the first one wich is arround 8 years old, i dont get much anymore.

    About crystal pop or spin you right there is no difference. a good proof is gold pool crystals, wether you pop em or spin them the outcome is the same, even if we cant open 2 times de same crystal 2 different ways to check it out, but what make me say that is : if you spin it, tell me how many 6 stars gold pool show up before the crystal stops on some golds... I think there really is something that isnt been said.

    Trusting kabam with everything they tell us is by my think a bit naive. No a single smart person would reveal where and how is working his gold vein.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,672 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
    Wait, but one video and OPs experience validates everything? Lol mmmmmk
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  • MᗅՏᗅCREMᗅՏᗅCRE Member Posts: 192 ★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    You forgot OG Spidy lol
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,672 ★★★★★
    DheyX said:

    Shiroihara said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    C'mon mate. You know very well that that does not prove equal rates. Stop bullying people new to the forums.
    well drop rates are drop rates. you can be lucky, but in fact the drop rates of different "tier" champions isnt shown. Its not rigged, there is missing informations about crystal by my think.
    There isn't missing information. Each champion in both the featured and basic 6* crystal have equal chances for everyone in those pools. Your confirmation bias will not let you believe that though.

    There was a player called CoWhale and he would open hundreds of Featured Cavs for the new champion. He once opened over 1100 of them for one new champion. He also once pulled the featured in his first 10 pop and the bought hundreds more trying to dupe him.

    The drop rates will always be what you believe them to be because you can't wrap your mind around how probability works in this game.
  • ChatterofforumsChatterofforums Member Posts: 1,779 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    Since this thread started over on yt video, here's a vid I did two weeks ago. Watch and tell me if this looks rigged? So based on basic math, my video cancels out other video and well, let's move on.

    https://youtu.be/Xo-2l_HbrBE
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,672 ★★★★★
    MᗅՏᗅCRE said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    Chatterofforums said:

    DheyX said:

    yes, that's what have been said probably. but if you watch the drops of Alx MCOC on youtube (his last video on featured champs cristals) you will have a better view of what im talking about.

    One random video from one random YTer doesn't mean anything. Fyi, I've done multiple crystal opening yt vids myself so one random one means absolutely nothing to me.
    its not only based on this video. it's an example. but i wont trust kabam since you can easily drop 2 or 3 times a low tier champ, but that will not happen with a god tier champ.

    Then explain my featured crystal drops. Since this screenshot ****, I've dupe Spidey Supreme and pulled overseer. Tell me how rigged it is again.
    You forgot OG Spidy lol
    I did but I haven't pulled him either.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,672 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    DheyX said:

    OwenLee said:

    As a player who’ve played this game for almost 6-7 years, spent idk an amount of money that could prolly buy a house or a nice car in this game. I can tell you confidently that ‘RNG’ or equal drop rates DO NOT exist in this game. For instance, I’ve opened more than 400-500 featured cavs, there was NOT single time I’ve pulled a 6* featured or should I say, hit that 0.3% chance. But for top players with over 4-5mill base rating, they somehow could easily pull more 5* and always managed to get the 6* featured in a range of 100 cavs, in comparison to me who only has 3mill base rating. I’ve also opened more than 60 of the new featureds, 0 absorbing man(who I want the most) so far regardless if I spin em, pop 5 or 10(- it doesn’t matter). The best explanation I’ve concluded for this is, is that the game’s ‘rng’ system is constructed in a way that it’s constantly ‘controlling & monitoring’ your roster growth. Just like your example, you’ll always find yourself pulling the same champ that u don’t care ab wayyy more than the ones you’ve been seeking for(like 3 king groots in 5 6* featureds, instead of 3 Iron doom in 5 instead). The moment you rank up a champ to r3 or sig em up high, you somehow will pull them much less in future & thats the turn for other bad or champs u dc about to come(we’ve seen evidence of this). Unless your roster is pretty much full with VERY few champs u haven’t pulled yet, it’s extremely difficult for u to pull the ones you haven’t had smoothly. I strongly believe my theory just cus I’ve seen/experienced this too much, and knowing Kabam.. or business in general(i have a degree in this). They just make too much sense.

    you point out something we've been thinking about with friends and that could for sure be linked to what im saying. I have 2 accounts and my friends who saw me openning crystals on this one just ended up telling me my 2nd account is blessed. Many good 6 stars for now, not much champs in my roaster. If i spend money on the second acc it pay off, on the first one wich is arround 8 years old, i dont get much anymore.

    About crystal pop or spin you right there is no difference. a good proof is gold pool crystals, wether you pop em or spin them the outcome is the same, even if we cant open 2 times de same crystal 2 different ways to check it out, but what make me say that is : if you spin it, tell me how many 6 stars gold pool show up before the crystal stops on some golds... I think there really is something that isnt been said.

    Trusting kabam with everything they tell us is by my think a bit naive. No a single smart person would reveal where and how is working his gold vein.
    So you want them to display the drop rates but you say you can't trust them ... Right.

    The reel animation is for entertainment only and has no bearing on your pull from the crystal.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 6,672 ★★★★★
    Or, hear me out, forget about tier lists completely and realize every champ has some sort of use in the game. The majority of "bad" champs have gotten buffs to make them at least usable by now. Then you won't have a problem with pulling non "god" tier.
  • DheyXDheyX Member Posts: 10 ★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DheyX said:

    OwenLee said:

    As a player who’ve played this game for almost 6-7 years, spent idk an amount of money that could prolly buy a house or a nice car in this game. I can tell you confidently that ‘RNG’ or equal drop rates DO NOT exist in this game. For instance, I’ve opened more than 400-500 featured cavs, there was NOT single time I’ve pulled a 6* featured or should I say, hit that 0.3% chance. But for top players with over 4-5mill base rating, they somehow could easily pull more 5* and always managed to get the 6* featured in a range of 100 cavs, in comparison to me who only has 3mill base rating. I’ve also opened more than 60 of the new featureds, 0 absorbing man(who I want the most) so far regardless if I spin em, pop 5 or 10(- it doesn’t matter). The best explanation I’ve concluded for this is, is that the game’s ‘rng’ system is constructed in a way that it’s constantly ‘controlling & monitoring’ your roster growth. Just like your example, you’ll always find yourself pulling the same champ that u don’t care ab wayyy more than the ones you’ve been seeking for(like 3 king groots in 5 6* featureds, instead of 3 Iron doom in 5 instead). The moment you rank up a champ to r3 or sig em up high, you somehow will pull them much less in future & thats the turn for other bad or champs u dc about to come(we’ve seen evidence of this). Unless your roster is pretty much full with VERY few champs u haven’t pulled yet, it’s extremely difficult for u to pull the ones you haven’t had smoothly. I strongly believe my theory just cus I’ve seen/experienced this too much, and knowing Kabam.. or business in general(i have a degree in this). They just make too much sense.

    you point out something we've been thinking about with friends and that could for sure be linked to what im saying. I have 2 accounts and my friends who saw me openning crystals on this one just ended up telling me my 2nd account is blessed. Many good 6 stars for now, not much champs in my roaster. If i spend money on the second acc it pay off, on the first one wich is arround 8 years old, i dont get much anymore.

    About crystal pop or spin you right there is no difference. a good proof is gold pool crystals, wether you pop em or spin them the outcome is the same, even if we cant open 2 times de same crystal 2 different ways to check it out, but what make me say that is : if you spin it, tell me how many 6 stars gold pool show up before the crystal stops on some golds... I think there really is something that isnt been said.

    Trusting kabam with everything they tell us is by my think a bit naive. No a single smart person would reveal where and how is working his gold vein.
    So you want them to display the drop rates but you say you can't trust them ... Right.

    The reel animation is for entertainment only and has no bearing on your pull from the crystal.
    display drop rates is a due to players, trusting kabam is only about personal choice.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,876 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    I didn't belive a single word till they mentioned it themselves. Took them 7 years to put that Information out to public.
    But since now it's public. It is to be trusted.

    Anybody got those two comments bookmarked? One from miike and one from Jax.

    I feel, It is best to post a screenshot of that official responce as soon as these threads Drops.
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