Shocker is flashy but has no defensive prowess and near to no utility
Whereas Ant Man has lots of damage, near triple immunitys when high sig and is a god tier defender
I don't know much about viv
Shocker also has shock and concussion immunity and doesn't land crits. He also has unblockable, autoblock and can remove prowess (chance but still). Not to say he is better than FAM or that FAM is better than shocker. Just pointing out that "near to no utility) isn't correct.
Shocker is flashy but has no defensive prowess and near to no utility
Whereas Ant Man has lots of damage, near triple immunitys when high sig and is a god tier defender
I don't know much about viv
Shocker also has shock and concussion immunity and doesn't land crits. He also has unblockable, autoblock and can remove prowess (chance but still). Not to say he is better than FAM or that FAM is better than shocker. Just pointing out that "near to no utility) isn't correct.
I agree I was incorrect but I still think FAM is better
Need to know if viv is worth ranking up for bg/war?
As a rank 4 sig 200 owner, I can confidently say yes. When played well you can burst through a 200k-250k healthpool without taking any damage. (Without suicides)
And half of BGs is defense and shocker is a bad defender but amazing attacker
Ant man is amazing defender and maybe not as flashy attacker but can handle many more matchups
this isn't a good argument. CGR, Tigra, AA, Shang Chi, etc. are some very common BG nukes who have almost 0 defensive ability. are those champs not at the top of their classes?
also Shocker can probably handle more BG matchups b/c his rotation is more flexible, so you can play around defender abilities
And half of BGs is defense and shocker is a bad defender but amazing attacker
Ant man is amazing defender and maybe not as flashy attacker but can handle many more matchups
this isn't a good argument. CGR, Tigra, AA, Shang Chi, etc. are some very common BG nukes who have almost 0 defensive ability. are those champs not at the top of their classes?
also Shocker can probably handle more BG matchups b/c his rotation is more flexible, so you can play around defender abilities
I'm saying he is a nuke on offense but bad on defense but FAM is great on both
Same reason I'd choose Hulkling or Galan or Knull over cgr, they are great on attack and are viable or great defenders how is that incorrect?
I don’t know about big vision but I pulled future Antman and shocker and so far I prefer FAM. Both are great and have unique utility, but I really like the power control on antman and how tanky he is. But I’ll be taking them both up eventually.
And half of BGs is defense and shocker is a bad defender but amazing attacker
Ant man is amazing defender and maybe not as flashy attacker but can handle many more matchups
this isn't a good argument. CGR, Tigra, AA, Shang Chi, etc. are some very common BG nukes who have almost 0 defensive ability. are those champs not at the top of their classes?
also Shocker can probably handle more BG matchups b/c his rotation is more flexible, so you can play around defender abilities
It is a strong argument. Defense is half of the two real game modes, so why would it not be considered?
And half of BGs is defense and shocker is a bad defender but amazing attacker
Ant man is amazing defender and maybe not as flashy attacker but can handle many more matchups
this isn't a good argument. CGR, Tigra, AA, Shang Chi, etc. are some very common BG nukes who have almost 0 defensive ability. are those champs not at the top of their classes?
also Shocker can probably handle more BG matchups b/c his rotation is more flexible, so you can play around defender abilities
It is a strong argument. Defense is half of the two real game modes, so why would it not be considered?
No one said that it isn’t considered. Some champs that are purely offensive nukes are still very very useful in BGs and Shocker is one of them. Sure, he’s not a dual threat like FAM or zemo, but he’s still top of his class regardless
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Shocker is flashy but has no defensive prowess and near to no utility
Whereas Ant Man has lots of damage, near triple immunitys when high sig and is a god tier defender
I don't know much about viv
And half of BGs is defense and shocker is a bad defender but amazing attacker
Ant man is amazing defender and maybe not as flashy attacker but can handle many more matchups
But I still think FAM is better
also Shocker can probably handle more BG matchups b/c his rotation is more flexible, so you can play around defender abilities
Same reason I'd choose Hulkling or Galan or Knull over cgr, they are great on attack and are viable or great defenders how is that incorrect?