Let's talk about Hulkbuster's unreliable sp2 -> heavy spam. (and tigra)

ArmoredGhostArmoredGhost Member Posts: 185 ★★★
I love hulkbuster. I think he is a fantastically designed champion and when he works, he really works. Really good damage and decent utility.
However, there is a bit of an issue with his sp2 -> heavy spam playstyle. Clearly this playstyle was designed for you to throw a heavy immediately after throwing the sp2 into the opponent's block and into the wall. The issue however arises when randomely the opponent will get up so fast that they interrupt the heavy or randomly hulkbuster gets pushed back far enough that the heavy will whiff. Is there some kind of algorithm that this playstyle works on some champions but not on others?

A similar issue happens with tigra when she holds her heavy to make projectiles miss but sometimes you can't punish the special because while you were holding heavy, the defender has been pushed back for seemingly no reason, thus putting them out of range of tigra's heavy attack. What's the deal? Are we supposed to try and punish sps or not?

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  • Fit_Fun9329Fit_Fun9329 Member Posts: 2,185 ★★★★★
    True. Especially when spacing and everything became very important and more prominent across the board. Interesting question OP!
  • RasiloverRasilover Member Posts: 1,478 ★★★★
    edited May 2023
    You have to delay hulkbuster’s heavy if he gets pushed back
  • CyborgNinja135CyborgNinja135 Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★★

    Rasilover said:

    You have to delay hulkbuster’s heavy if he gets pushed back

    but why does he get pushed back?
    Because of his animations
  • I_tell_no_tales_1I_tell_no_tales_1 Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★★
    Qacob said:

    I refuse to play hulkbuster for this reason, so frustrating because otherwise he'd be so good.

    I haven't noticed this issue with tigra, because her heavy has much longer range.

    All that's needed is an increase in HBs heavy range.

    Or make him consume one armour to root his opponent for the duration of the special
  • QacobQacob Member Posts: 2,253 ★★★★★

    Qacob said:

    I refuse to play hulkbuster for this reason, so frustrating because otherwise he'd be so good.

    I haven't noticed this issue with tigra, because her heavy has much longer range.

    All that's needed is an increase in HBs heavy range.

    Or make him consume one armour to root his opponent for the duration of the special
    What's the point? No need to overcomplicate a simple fix.
  • MrWTFMrWTF Member Posts: 68 ★★
    The major issue is the ai’s speed. It’s too fast now. It’s begun getting through my combos… my combos! So, with that kind of speed trying to spam heavies is going to be impossible. Record any match and watch it as slow as you can to truly see how fast the ai is. It moves 5x faster than we can.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,202 ★★★★★
    As an OG Buffed HB player, with an r4, I know nothing's gonna change about him.
    Syg is more of an issue, I can deal with the spacing after sp2.

    Storm X wakeup after knocking down in bugged, she skips frames. She performs instant transmission jutsu.
  • MrWTF said:

    The major issue is the ai’s speed. It’s too fast now. It’s begun getting through my combos… my combos! So, with that kind of speed trying to spam heavies is going to be impossible. Record any match and watch it as slow as you can to truly see how fast the ai is. It moves 5x faster than we can.

    I personally haven't had an issue with that, I imagine that must be a rare occurrence at most. I've been able to spam heavy and land combo's just fine. The only obvious issue I've come across is some inputs lagging behind in AQ
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,759 ★★★★★

    As an OG Buffed HB player, with an r4, I know nothing's gonna change about him.
    Syg is more of an issue, I can deal with the spacing after sp2.

    Storm X wakeup after knocking down in bugged, she skips frames. She performs instant transmission jutsu.

    OG Storm and Guillotine 2099 have similar or the same, super- fast recovery time after being knocked down too. There’s prob more…
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    As an OG Buffed HB player, with an r4, I know nothing's gonna change about him.
    Syg is more of an issue, I can deal with the spacing after sp2.

    Storm X wakeup after knocking down in bugged, she skips frames. She performs instant transmission jutsu.

    OG Storm and Guillotine 2099 have similar or the same, super- fast recovery time after being knocked down too. There’s prob more…
    Vtd
  • KaruseusKaruseus Member Posts: 528 ★★
    There was a time where any champs could just heavy-chain endlessly to cheese through several contents, and kabam didn’t like it.
    I can’t recall what exactly made the final blow, but kabam decided to make champions to be pushed back when they use heavy attack while the opponent is against the wall.

    While some champions still can heavy chain few times, most champions can’t do it now.
  • Real_Madrid_76_2Real_Madrid_76_2 Member Posts: 3,561 ★★★★★
    Against champs like storm, HB gets interrupted way sooner than in other cases. Against imiw apoc etc, they create insane amount of space before we ca. Heavy spam, so u need to let HB walk a little towards front and before ai can reach u out, strike with heavies
  • FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Member Posts: 2,068 ★★★★
    HB is good when he works, and hits like a truck, but his rotation is just too unreliable and RNG based to be effective in most combat situations.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,202 ★★★★★

    As an OG Buffed HB player, with an r4, I know nothing's gonna change about him.
    Syg is more of an issue, I can deal with the spacing after sp2.

    Storm X wakeup after knocking down in bugged, she skips frames. She performs instant transmission jutsu.

    OG Storm and Guillotine 2099 have similar or the same, super- fast recovery time after being knocked down too. There’s prob more…
    For Guilly it's not a bug, she recovers faster, no frame skip. Haven't paid attention to OG storm so can't comment.
    If bishop chose to use light hit, that also interrupt heavy chain.
    And as you said probably more....
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