This is becoming a trend now, kabam

Darkknight_94

From last few months i would say . Whenever something new goes live in the game.. it comes with bugs/ issues or already broken launch. Then again have to wait for sometime for the fix & at time even the "actual fix" comes with bugs as well.
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This is becoming a trend lately that whatever kabam launches in the game ( be it a event, deals , features or packages) comes out as bugged.
Curious to know " what's happening behind the scene? To tackle this trend.. coz this is not a 1 time thing anymore" , i would say only thing presistent in the game currently is bugs & issues than actual gameplay!
Even AI speed/ reflexes goes out of control but then again nothing been done on ai ! Now for inputs, with july & fix update, inputs drops are again becoming a trend.
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Honestly saying " this trend puts a question mark on the team that take care of things behind the scenes" but we understand they are human as well.. mistakes tend to happen but NOT this frequently.
"Fellow summoners, what's your view on this trend"

willemadnnel117

I concur. It's mistake after mistake. One step forward and 3 back. It's frustrating as we invest time and some even money because we enjoy it and then receive a shoddy product. You don't go to Aldi, buy rotten chicken and have them say "we'll look into it" only tomorrow there's rotten beef and the day after it's bad fish. Come on lads. Do you not listen to what people are asking for?

Vegeta9001

It used to be a meme of more updates bring more bugs, but never to this degree. It used to be small niggling bugs with major content drops, not bugs whenever a deal comes out, or rank down tickets are issued, or aw/bg season starts, or when side quest starts, or whenvwny new champion is released.

Let them try to remedy the situation, it can only go up from here surely, the worst 2/3 month period we've seen in a couple years at least.

Colinwhitworth69

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

Vance2_jr

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

tnair2015

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

For a Software maturity of 8+ years development, the ratio of Bugs/Instability, seems very high. I might be wrong though

Vegeta9001

tnair2015 said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

For a Software maturity of 8+ years development, the ratio of Bugs/Instability, seems very high. I might be wrong though

All comes down to team size and experience. The game reached a rough patch a few years back but popularity seems to be increasing again. It's a question of can the team handle it?

They're pushing out plenty of new and exciting content and modes. which is nice, but we need overall stability before forcing more content into the contest.

Shiroihara

tnair2015 said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

For a Software maturity of 8+ years development, the ratio of Bugs/Instability, seems very high. I might be wrong though

Bugs are common indeed, but releasing features that downright do not work is not.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see what they do to f up every other Tuesday.

BeastDad

tnair2015 said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

For a Software maturity of 8+ years development, the ratio of Bugs/Instability, seems very high. I might be wrong though

From someone who works in the industry, you are absolutely correct.

Maat1985

problem is what seems to be the case in this game is likely a large case of spaghetti code.
so that as more gets added it become more messy and more confusing only making bugs ontop of bugs.

it happens mostly when something is written originally with the intent of never growing as much as it does and stuff is added ontop and added on top and added ontop and stuff ends up referencing stuff all over the place.
and then when something gets added/updated it ends up affecting something that you had no idea it ever could so never checked to realise it.

unfortunately it is a byproduct of a game getting too big beyond what it was designed for and the only option is to fully rewrite all the code. best to do so in a new game engine.
which is a huge job.

SirGamesBond

Shameful to be completely honest.

HungaryHippo

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

Are you a software Dev?

ReignkingTW

What kind of response are you really expecting with this post?

Demonzfyre

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

iDestroyerZ

Maat1985 said:

problem is what seems to be the case in this game is likely a large case of spaghetti code.
so that as more gets added it become more messy and more confusing only making bugs ontop of bugs.

it happens mostly when something is written originally with the intent of never growing as much as it does and stuff is added ontop and added on top and added ontop and stuff ends up referencing stuff all over the place.
and then when something gets added/updated it ends up affecting something that you had no idea it ever could so never checked to realise it.

unfortunately it is a byproduct of a game getting too big beyond what it was designed for and the only option is to fully rewrite all the code. best to do so in a new game engine.
which is a huge job.

Didn't they change the engine like in 2020/2021 or something? I remember they work on the engine around that time, but i can't remember if they change the entire thing
Although it's a huge job, it would be great if they had this iniciative because right now i don't feel joy playing the game like before because everything seems broken, you can never play the new eq/sq the first day because it might have a bug like the mythic crystal and everything and i don't feel like this is talk about it enough, the fact that you don't feel ''safe'' playing an event the day it releases is ridiculous, like ''yeah i need to wait like 3 days to play this just to be sure'' that's insane -.-

TheLightBringer

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

I'm playing 3 other games being, pokemon masters, DB legends and One piece bounty rush, do they have bugs? Sure, but it's no where near close to Mcoc. Here's a few examples:

July offers solo event
Old champs being bugged rintrah, new champs being bugged cassie and antman
Side Eq bugged, and the rewards itself was bugged to (1250 crystals)
Root mechanic was bugged, sending RT tkts and guess what it's also bugged
AW kept getting delayed as its bugged
Gambit relic was bugged as well
And all of that was in 1 month only, that's not normal in any game or any place, so please don't try to normalize it

Demonzfyre

TheLightBringer said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

I'm playing 3 other games being, pokemon masters, DB legends and One piece bounty rush, do they have bugs? Sure, but it's no where near close to Mcoc. Here's a few examples:

July offers solo event
Old champs being bugged rintrah, new champs being bugged cassie and antman
Side Eq bugged, and the rewards itself was bugged to (1250 crystals)
Root mechanic was bugged, sending RT tkts and guess what it's also bugged
AW kept getting delayed as its bugged
Gambit relic was bugged as well
And all of that was in 1 month only, that's not normal in any game or any place, so please don't try to normalize it

Convenient that none of those games you listed have any official forums or place for listing important information. They use mostly Facebook and Twitter but have zero info outside of notes for updates. Pokemon Masters Ex just says fixed various bugs.

XXGhost_RiderXX

Ngl there's been lots of issues lately (listed below), and as OP said it's become more frequent. That being said, a lot of this could be mitigated if Kabam just tested their software or had some form of review/approvals before releasing it to the masses. Like they won't be able to catch everything, but at least they'll be able to catch the vast majority of blatantly obvious issues.

To list them, we have:
(1) Incorrect titan crystal vote - Clearly Claire was considered at some point, however, no one (at Kabam) gave the post/vote a second thought until "oops it's time to disappoint the community AGAIN". Like what's going on with the social media/marketing team? There should be approvals and everything before something gets sent out, especially on the brands social media page.

(2) Battlegrounds Matchmaking - At the beginning of the season, the previous season's rank had not reset, meaning anyone who started a match with elder marks prior to Kabam taking down battlegrounds, wasted their elder marks, oh well ig. Also battlegrounds isn't really in beta anymore, shouldn't these issues that recur season to season be sorted out considering it's been maybe 8-9 months since the feature dropped!?

(3) Battlegrounds Booster - Don't we normally get like some shields and signets prior to each season, like ????

(4) The July side quest - bugged on launch, allowing people to get 1250 mythic crystals, and complete all paths... Might be useful to hire some software testers/fulltime beta testers, or try things out before releasing them, especially something that's so obvious; you literally launch these quests on a monthly basis. Also, where are the approvals for 1250 mythic crystals!? It's like no one does any code review, or even tests it physically in staging or development prior to moving it to the production environment

(5) The new War system - was supposed to launch a couple weeks ago, but ig no one tested it prior to launch; and its release ended up being postponed to yesterday (July 26th), and additionally without any sort of clarification (tutorial/forums post) on how the whole system works.

(6) Sigil Exclusive Express Mode - express mode was broken, with no apparent reason why

(7) Relics were unable to be binded/unbinded - again no apparent reason why it worked before and not then

(8) An internal Memo was sent out in game, although it was retracted briefly afterwards (attached below) - seriously does no one read this stuff prior to it being sent out to everyone?



And more....

All this to say, some form of quality control is definitely needed. I understand when software expands beyond its original predicted design, stuff happens. That being being said, a lot of this can benefit from simply having some form of testing and approvals prior to moving the monthly updates and new feature releases to the production environment. Like we all (most of us) love this game, we've been here for years because it's a good game, but to keep it as a fun, enjoyable thing, something needs to be done to address the recent pattern of issues.

SirGamesBond

XXGhost_RiderXX said:

Ngl there's been lots of issues lately (listed below), and as OP said it's become more frequent. That being said, a lot of this could be mitigated if Kabam just tested their software or had some form of review/approvals before releasing it to the masses. Like they won't be able to catch everything, but at least they'll be able to catch the vast majority of blatantly obvious issues.

To list them, we have:
(1) Incorrect titan crystal vote - Clearly Claire was considered at some point, however, no one (at Kabam) gave the post/vote a second thought until "oops it's time to disappoint the community AGAIN". Like what's going on with the social media/marketing team? There should be approvals and everything before something gets sent out, especially on the brands social media page.

(2) Battlegrounds Matchmaking - At the beginning of the season, the previous season's rank had not reset, meaning anyone who started a match with elder marks prior to Kabam taking down battlegrounds, wasted their elder marks, oh well ig. Also battlegrounds isn't really in beta anymore, shouldn't these issues that recur season to season be sorted out considering it's been maybe 8-9 months since the feature dropped!?

(3) Battlegrounds Booster - Don't we normally get like some shields and signets prior to each season, like ????

(4) The July side quest - bugged on launch, allowing people to get 1250 mythic crystals, and complete all paths... Might be useful to hire some software testers/fulltime beta testers, or try things out before releasing them, especially something that's so obvious; you literally launch these quests on a monthly basis. Also, where are the approvals for 1250 mythic crystals!? It's like no one does any code review, or even tests it physically in staging or development prior to moving it to the production environment

(5) The new War system - was supposed to launch a couple weeks ago, but ig no one tested it prior to launch; and its release ended up being postponed to yesterday (July 26th), and additionally without any sort of clarification (tutorial/forums post) on how the whole system works.

(6) Sigil Exclusive Express Mode - express mode was broken, with no apparent reason why

(7) Relics were unable to be binded/unbinded - again no apparent reason why it worked before and not then

(8) An internal Memo was sent out in game, although it was retracted briefly afterwards (attached below) - seriously does no one read this stuff prior to it being sent out to everyone?



And more....

All this to say, some form of quality control is definitely needed. I understand when software expands beyond its original predicted design, stuff happens. That being being said, a lot of this can benefit from simply having some form of testing and approvals prior to moving the monthly updates and new feature releases to the production environment. Like we all (most of us) love this game, we've been here for years because it's a good game, but to keep it as a fun, enjoyable thing, something needs to be done to address the recent pattern of issues.

I'll add a bug nobody is aware of..

If you used the comp path selector is SQ to take the AG path and quit before defeating the boss,
You keep the AG. How surprising, And the path selector is not consumed in the account.

Dude got 5 AGs doing this, and they fixed it yesterday. Pretty sure nobody knows.

Vance2_jr

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

[Deleted User]

SirGamesBond said:

XXGhost_RiderXX said:

Ngl there's been lots of issues lately (listed below), and as OP said it's become more frequent. That being said, a lot of this could be mitigated if Kabam just tested their software or had some form of review/approvals before releasing it to the masses. Like they won't be able to catch everything, but at least they'll be able to catch the vast majority of blatantly obvious issues.

To list them, we have:
(1) Incorrect titan crystal vote - Clearly Claire was considered at some point, however, no one (at Kabam) gave the post/vote a second thought until "oops it's time to disappoint the community AGAIN". Like what's going on with the social media/marketing team? There should be approvals and everything before something gets sent out, especially on the brands social media page.

(2) Battlegrounds Matchmaking - At the beginning of the season, the previous season's rank had not reset, meaning anyone who started a match with elder marks prior to Kabam taking down battlegrounds, wasted their elder marks, oh well ig. Also battlegrounds isn't really in beta anymore, shouldn't these issues that recur season to season be sorted out considering it's been maybe 8-9 months since the feature dropped!?

(3) Battlegrounds Booster - Don't we normally get like some shields and signets prior to each season, like ????

(4) The July side quest - bugged on launch, allowing people to get 1250 mythic crystals, and complete all paths... Might be useful to hire some software testers/fulltime beta testers, or try things out before releasing them, especially something that's so obvious; you literally launch these quests on a monthly basis. Also, where are the approvals for 1250 mythic crystals!? It's like no one does any code review, or even tests it physically in staging or development prior to moving it to the production environment

(5) The new War system - was supposed to launch a couple weeks ago, but ig no one tested it prior to launch; and its release ended up being postponed to yesterday (July 26th), and additionally without any sort of clarification (tutorial/forums post) on how the whole system works.

(6) Sigil Exclusive Express Mode - express mode was broken, with no apparent reason why

(7) Relics were unable to be binded/unbinded - again no apparent reason why it worked before and not then

(8) An internal Memo was sent out in game, although it was retracted briefly afterwards (attached below) - seriously does no one read this stuff prior to it being sent out to everyone?



And more....

All this to say, some form of quality control is definitely needed. I understand when software expands beyond its original predicted design, stuff happens. That being being said, a lot of this can benefit from simply having some form of testing and approvals prior to moving the monthly updates and new feature releases to the production environment. Like we all (most of us) love this game, we've been here for years because it's a good game, but to keep it as a fun, enjoyable thing, something needs to be done to address the recent pattern of issues.

I'll add a bug nobody is aware of..

If you used the comp path selector is SQ to take the AG path and quit before defeating the boss,
You keep the AG. How surprising, And the path selector is not consumed in the account.

Dude got 5 AGs doing this, and they fixed it yesterday. Pretty sure nobody knows.

I've seen a couple people talk about it. Another weird one is that the Energy Harvest event completely resets when you reach the next Progression level, so anyone below Paragon can get an extra 7 entries. And that can be done multiple times if you're speedrunning a new account through the story content.

AverageDesi

I'm pretty sure there was a time a few years back when this same happened. Everything () was broken

Demonzfyre

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

Drago_von_Drago

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

This seems worse than usual to me. Side quest quirks are always a thing but it has hit almost game mode in a significant way in the last few weeks.

Arena was broken.

Side quest was broken in at least two ways.

War was broken.

AQ was impacted because champs were stuck in war defense that wasn’t actually happening.

BG alliance event points were bugged and not being awarded properly.

RDTs didn’t work.

I don’t remember this many significant issues in this short of a span before.

Shake_a_Quake

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Software has bugs. This is 100 percent common in development. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

Have you played other games at all? Clearly not. Yes it is 100 percent common, and bugs are also common, but to this extent?!?!? You release something new, something old gets broken inturn....idk if you have just gotten used to it, mate 😂

Shake_a_Quake

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

Yes it ain't new, but it's necessary to keep reminding Kabam of it. We can't just give into it..... if we do, forget that parry will ever work, or you fav champs will work like you please, or that arena will ever be exciting, or that there'll be any development at all

Demonzfyre

Drago_von_Drago said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

This seems worse than usual to me. Side quest quirks are always a thing but it has hit almost game mode in a significant way in the last few weeks.

Arena was broken.

Side quest was broken in at least two ways.

War was broken.

AQ was impacted because champs were stuck in war defense that wasn’t actually happening.

BG alliance event points were bugged and not being awarded properly.

RDTs didn’t work.

I don’t remember this many significant issues in this short of a span before.

It's definitely not worse than other months. I've been playing this game since the beginning. Like a week after launch and since I became more involved in the forums in 2017, things like this have happened every month. It feels like it's worse because there's more the the game than in the past and there's more that can go wrong. BGs are new, Express mode is new, etc..

Side quests have been broken dozens of times. Mutant Treasure Island is the most famous and it was more devastating than this. Kabam even made it right with a comp package this time for those who didn't or could exploit the glitch.

War has been broken numerous times as well. This one hurts me the most because I love AW. I loathe AQ and it's been torture not having AW to even it out. But it's not the worst by a long shot of being broken. At least the didn't have to cut the season short like they have at least 5 times.

I don't know why anyone would put AQ champs on AW defense if they were going to use them in AQ since that's not a possibility. That's just user error.

RDTs has issues before as well. Nothing new.

Its another typical month. In two weeks we'll be back here complaining about the next set of bugs in the new update.

Darkknight_94

You forgot just newly issued kraven ranked down ticket also bugged & not returning the materials at all.

Vance2_jr

?

Bigfoot33

Demonzfyre said:

Drago_von_Drago said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

This seems worse than usual to me. Side quest quirks are always a thing but it has hit almost game mode in a significant way in the last few weeks.

Arena was broken.

Side quest was broken in at least two ways.

War was broken.

AQ was impacted because champs were stuck in war defense that wasn’t actually happening.

BG alliance event points were bugged and not being awarded properly.

RDTs didn’t work.

I don’t remember this many significant issues in this short of a span before.

It's definitely not worse than other months. I've been playing this game since the beginning. Like a week after launch and since I became more involved in the forums in 2017, things like this have happened every month. It feels like it's worse because there's more the the game than in the past and there's more that can go wrong. BGs are new, Express mode is new, etc..

Side quests have been broken dozens of times. Mutant Treasure Island is the most famous and it was more devastating than this. Kabam even made it right with a comp package this time for those who didn't or could exploit the glitch.

War has been broken numerous times as well. This one hurts me the most because I love AW. I loathe AQ and it's been torture not having AW to even it out. But it's not the worst by a long shot of being broken. At least the didn't have to cut the season short like they have at least 5 times.

I don't know why anyone would put AQ champs on AW defense if they were going to use them in AQ since that's not a possibility. That's just user error.

RDTs has issues before as well. Nothing new.

Its another typical month. In two weeks we'll be back here complaining about the next set of bugs in the new update.

You do know that if you placed defenders in Aw defense, you can use those defenders before the attack phase begins. Some lower accounts can still participate in AQ.

Vegeta9001

Demonzfyre said:

Drago_von_Drago said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

Demonzfyre said:

Vance2_jr said:

This is so discouraging. Clearly, apathy has taken hold at Kabam. Once that happens, things fall apart fast.

9 years fast.

I never said they’ve been apathetic since the beginning. I implied that the apathy is a new thing, so let’s start the clock now.

We've literally been going through the same thing month after month. Every month has been the same for years. New update, new bugs. This isn't a new thing.

This seems worse than usual to me. Side quest quirks are always a thing but it has hit almost game mode in a significant way in the last few weeks.

Arena was broken.

Side quest was broken in at least two ways.

War was broken.

AQ was impacted because champs were stuck in war defense that wasn’t actually happening.

BG alliance event points were bugged and not being awarded properly.

RDTs didn’t work.

I don’t remember this many significant issues in this short of a span before.

It's definitely not worse than other months. I've been playing this game since the beginning.

It's not the worst it's ever been, we've sure hard darker times. Almost day 1 player also, but the past 2-3 months have been the roughest in about 3 years, input issues aside, the sheer culmination of issues, with champions old and new, modes, deals, exploits, heck, even In game mail and rank down tickets. All in the space of 2 months.

But like I said in an earlier post, we've hit a pretty low, low. So It can surely only look up from here and as I said we've had worse times and recovered fine.

The only issue I really have, is like you said, a lot of these issues we've had before, they keep letting avoidable repeat issues keep slipping in.