Skill champs purifying Apoc's debuffs

Apocalypse reduces purification ability accuracy by -100% so how come Zemo, Jabari Panther, Black cat and other champs with cleanse passives can purify his debuffs? Do cleanse passives have 200% ability accuracy or are they immune to ability accuracy reduction

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JustWantTheRewards

It's weird, but Cleanse passives just don't count as a Purify effect

mgj0630

What @JustWantTheRewards said is accurate.

Apocalypse reduces purify AAR by 100%, effectively shutting it down.

Cleanse, while fundamentally does the same thing, is in fact a different mechanic.

Similar to Stagger vs Neutralize. On the surface, they both prevent buffs, but they're different mechanics, so while one champ may be immune to stagger, a champ that applies neutralize may still work, and vice versa.

Magrailothos

The ability Accuracy check is made when generating the effect.

Apocalypse can reduce the champions ability to immediately Purify, through abilities like Tenacity.

He can't reduce the opponents ability to generate a charge of Cleanse.

The fact that Cleanse happens to subsequently remove debuffs is pure coincidence.

Musha27

What @JustWantTheRewards said is accurate.

Apocalypse reduces purify AAR by 100%, effectively shutting it down.

Cleanse, while fundamentally does the same thing, is in fact a different mechanic.

Similar to Stagger vs Neutralize. On the surface, they both prevent buffs, but they're different mechanics, so while one champ may be immune to stagger, a champ that applies neutralize may still work, and vice versa.

The ability Accuracy check is made when generating the effect.

Apocalypse can reduce the champions ability to immediately Purify, through abilities like Tenacity.

He can't reduce the opponents ability to generate a charge of Cleanse.

The fact that Cleanse happens to subsequently remove debuffs is pure coincidence.

Hm, seems weird but I understand. This reminds me of how some cosmics are anti-mystic now.

AMS94

Cleanse was basically the same ability renamed so that Apoc can't counter it
It was the same thing as naming Dargonman's power gain buff as "power charge" so that it isn't affected by Doom's sig ability

Musha27

It's weird, but Cleanse passives just don't count as a Purify effect

I feel like cleanse passives should be explained differently or have more details regarding this tho

captain_rogers

By that logic, champs should not recieve damage when Bishop's debuffs were cleansed. Had anyone tried this? (Same with havok debuff charges)

Nameless_IW

What @JustWantTheRewards said is accurate.

Apocalypse reduces purify AAR by 100%, effectively shutting it down.

Cleanse, while fundamentally does the same thing, is in fact a different mechanic.

Similar to Stagger vs Neutralize. On the surface, they both prevent buffs, but they're different mechanics, so while one champ may be immune to stagger, a champ that applies neutralize may still work, and vice versa.

Well that's just great. LOL. How convenient for Kabam.

Magrailothos

By that logic, champs should not recieve damage when Bishop's debuffs were cleansed. Had anyone tried this? (Same with havok debuff charges)

Further to my previous answer (and @DNA3000 has explained this previously, and can probably do it better)...

There is an Ability called Purify and there is an effect called purify.

It's a little confusing that their names are the same, so I'm trying to use Bold/Italics to help increase clarity...

You use the Ability Purify to generate the effect of purify.

You can also use the Ability Cleanse to activate the effect, purify.

Apocalypse reduces the Ability Accuracy of the Ability called Purify. He doesn't interact with the effect, which is also called purify. He therefore can't interact with Cleanse at all, which is a different Ability.

Bishop interacts with the effect called purify. He therefore inflicts bursts of damage any time his opponent generated the Effect, purify; regardless of whether it was caused through the Ability Cleanse or the Ability, Purify.

Clear as mud?

PantherusNZ

Much like Nullify, Fate Seal, and Buff Immunity are not the same thing, despite having effectively the same effect, Cleanse and Purify are not the same thing either.

It's all complexity that has grown over time as counters to counters to counters grow and enter the contest.