Why does hardware play a factor in Battlegrounds scoring?

victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
edited October 2023 in General Discussion



I have been having several really close games and I couldn't help notice that the fight duration in the scoring screen is different to the one in the fight info screen. This is the most egregious example I have had so far. I was faster than my opponent in the fight but since I took longer to load in I lose? How is this fair, and why if we have the actual fight duration aren't we using it.

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  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    What causes this then? Why is my time 8 seconds slower than the info screen, compared to his being only 4 seconds slower? My phone is a bit slower and takes time to load in so that's what I thought it was
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,634 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    SirGamesBond said:

    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    It kinda does.
    All my fights stats are 1:52. I see people start at 1:58. I have made my peace with it. I don't mind it anymore.
    It doesn't. It has to do with your connection to the server
  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    edited October 2023
    ahmynuts said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    It kinda does.
    All my fights stats are 1:52. I see people start at 1:58. I have made my peace with it. I don't mind it anymore.
    It doesn't. It has to do with your connection to the server
    Has that been confirmed by kabam? Either way why should i be losing with a faster fight time just because my connection has to travel half the globe
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,097 ★★★★★
    victor158 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    It kinda does.
    All my fights stats are 1:52. I see people start at 1:58. I have made my peace with it. I don't mind it anymore.
    It doesn't. It has to do with your connection to the server
    Has that been confirmed by kabam? Either way why should i be losing with a faster fight time just because my connection has to travel half the globe
    What kind of phone do you have?
  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    victor158 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    It kinda does.
    All my fights stats are 1:52. I see people start at 1:58. I have made my peace with it. I don't mind it anymore.
    It doesn't. It has to do with your connection to the server
    Has that been confirmed by kabam? Either way why should i be losing with a faster fight time just because my connection has to travel half the globe
    What kind of phone do you have?
    samsung s10+. I know the mcoc is made for iphones but it still doesn't make sense why im punished for loading in slower. you lose 84 points per second in bgs so if im losing 8-10 seconds just on loading time im losing around 700 points every round, which is massive when the scores are this close
  • SamanunSamanun Member Posts: 713 ★★★
    This is a huge issue and I hope it is fixed some people are sitting loading for 10-20 seconds while the other person is fighting
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,230 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.
  • SamanunSamanun Member Posts: 713 ★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    Or maybe it is something that can be fixed… I’m pretty sure it’s their job to make the game as enjoyable as possible and asking someone to drop a couple hundred dollars on phone to play their video just isn’t that.
  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    so basically get good? I understand that some devices are gonna be better but they have the actual fight time in the fight info screen ... why can't they use that time? It makes no sense why i should be held back for not having a $1.5k new iphone. battleground should be based on your skill and roster not if you have a good phone or not
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,230 ★★★★★
    Idk...I play okay, I rank high enough for my satisfaction, even with disadvantages.
    I don't care enough to get a new device to be TopDog on a mobile game. I make do.
    Plus as mentioned, there are server lags and they do not discriminate what hardware you have, if its gonna happen it's gonna happen.

    Sure, Wouldn't mind one single bit if my fights started at the same time as others.
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,602 ★★★★
    victor158 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    so basically get good? I understand that some devices are gonna be better but they have the actual fight time in the fight info screen ... why can't they use that time? It makes no sense why i should be held back for not having a $1.5k new iphone. battleground should be based on your skill and roster not if you have a good phone or not
    You clearly have never played a cross-platform multiplayer. My 12 year old can expound how pc players have an edge on the tablet/ps4/5/xbox/steamdeck players cause of reasons. Currently he's trying to make a ps5 controller connect to his gaming tower. There's no "fair".

    As for this game, there's ideal configs that Kabam should share with their customers, but since the system can't (won't) differentiate between user game pause/lost connection/ genuine server issues, it is what it is, and isn't likely to change.
  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    klobberintyme said:

    victor158 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    so basically get good? I understand that some devices are gonna be better but they have the actual fight time in the fight info screen ... why can't they use that time? It makes no sense why i should be held back for not having a $1.5k new iphone. battleground should be based on your skill and roster not if you have a good phone or not
    You clearly have never played a cross-platform multiplayer. My 12 year old can expound how pc players have an edge on the tablet/ps4/5/xbox/steamdeck players cause of reasons. Currently he's trying to make a ps5 controller connect to his gaming tower. There's no "fair".

    As for this game, there's ideal configs that Kabam should share with their customers, but since the system can't (won't) differentiate between user game pause/lost connection/ genuine server issues, it is what it is, and isn't likely to change.
    Sorry but isn't that time in the fight info screen irrespective to lag and connection issues? I guess thats my point, the game already does have a way to differentiate between lag and actual fight time because they have that number on display( my fight being 53 seconds), so why is it not used.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,601 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    So you want people to spend two thousand dollars for a new iPhone and then constantly upgrade it to newer ones to stay on par, when they can just get a refurbished Android with similar RAM at a fraction of the cost?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,097 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    victor158 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    victor158 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    ahmynuts said:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware

    It kinda does.
    All my fights stats are 1:52. I see people start at 1:58. I have made my peace with it. I don't mind it anymore.
    It doesn't. It has to do with your connection to the server
    Has that been confirmed by kabam? Either way why should i be losing with a faster fight time just because my connection has to travel half the globe
    What kind of phone do you have?
    samsung s10+. I know the mcoc is made for iphones but it still doesn't make sense why im punished for loading in slower. you lose 84 points per second in bgs so if im losing 8-10 seconds just on loading time im losing around 700 points every round, which is massive when the scores are this close
    Load times can depend on device hardware like your GPU and Ram. You have a 4 year old device and most likely have 8gb of RAM. This is what loads the game faster or slower just like a computer.

    As also mentioned, your connection can cause the delay as well. Even if you see full bars or connected to wifi, your connection can dip and cause that delay. On WiFi, the more devices you have connected, the less bandwidth your router has to support those devices.

    MCOC isn't MADE for iPhones. Apple tends to work more smoothly because there aren't hundreds of devices to program for. Apple has similar specs throughout all of its phones whereas there's 100's Android devices that can play MCOC. That's why the experience is different.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,230 ★★★★★
    Polygon said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    So you want people to spend two thousand dollars for a new iPhone and then constantly upgrade it to newer ones to stay on par, when they can just get a refurbished Android with similar RAM at a fraction of the cost?
    Yes, sure, absolutely, definitely, I want that. whatcha gonna do?
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,230 ★★★★★
    victor158 said:

    klobberintyme said:

    victor158 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    so basically get good? I understand that some devices are gonna be better but they have the actual fight time in the fight info screen ... why can't they use that time? It makes no sense why i should be held back for not having a $1.5k new iphone. battleground should be based on your skill and roster not if you have a good phone or not
    You clearly have never played a cross-platform multiplayer. My 12 year old can expound how pc players have an edge on the tablet/ps4/5/xbox/steamdeck players cause of reasons. Currently he's trying to make a ps5 controller connect to his gaming tower. There's no "fair".

    As for this game, there's ideal configs that Kabam should share with their customers, but since the system can't (won't) differentiate between user game pause/lost connection/ genuine server issues, it is what it is, and isn't likely to change.
    Sorry but isn't that time in the fight info screen irrespective to lag and connection issues? I guess thats my point, the game already does have a way to differentiate between lag and actual fight time because they have that number on display( my fight being 53 seconds), so why is it not used.
    Cuz pause button and forced restart.
    Just know that Two different clock timers are working in a fight.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,634 ★★★★★
    @DNA3000 @Demonzfyre Isn't battlegrounds conducted server-side match-wise? It shouldn't have to do with the power of someone's device if it's the connection to the server.

    You could argue that if you had a better wifi chip in your phone or internet then it's a "hardware" issue but it really should just how you're connecting to the servers since kabam monitors bgs
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,097 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    ahmynuts said:

    @DNA3000 @Demonzfyre Isn't battlegrounds conducted server-side match-wise? It shouldn't have to do with the power of someone's device if it's the connection to the server.

    You could argue that if you had a better wifi chip in your phone or internet then it's a "hardware" issue but it really should just how you're connecting to the servers since kabam monitors bgs

    The match reporting is yes but the game still needs to load through the device. The game is played locally and the data is sent to the server to report the results.

    I could also be completely wrong. 🤷
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,097 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    Polygon said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    So you want people to spend two thousand dollars for a new iPhone and then constantly upgrade it to newer ones to stay on par, when they can just get a refurbished Android with similar RAM at a fraction of the cost?
    Yes, sure, absolutely, definitely, I want that. whatcha gonna do?
    Steve Jobs is that you?
  • victor158victor158 Member Posts: 169 ★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    victor158 said:

    klobberintyme said:

    victor158 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    so basically get good? I understand that some devices are gonna be better but they have the actual fight time in the fight info screen ... why can't they use that time? It makes no sense why i should be held back for not having a $1.5k new iphone. battleground should be based on your skill and roster not if you have a good phone or not
    You clearly have never played a cross-platform multiplayer. My 12 year old can expound how pc players have an edge on the tablet/ps4/5/xbox/steamdeck players cause of reasons. Currently he's trying to make a ps5 controller connect to his gaming tower. There's no "fair".

    As for this game, there's ideal configs that Kabam should share with their customers, but since the system can't (won't) differentiate between user game pause/lost connection/ genuine server issues, it is what it is, and isn't likely to change.
    Sorry but isn't that time in the fight info screen irrespective to lag and connection issues? I guess thats my point, the game already does have a way to differentiate between lag and actual fight time because they have that number on display( my fight being 53 seconds), so why is it not used.
    Cuz pause button and forced restart.
    Just know that Two different clock timers are working in a fight.
    oh i completely forgot about forced restarts. that makes sense. even then though im sure kabam could differentiate between starting lag and a forced restart. ah well hopefully its something kabam can try to fix one day. its just really unfortunate to lose games on a technicality.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,230 ★★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    Polygon said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    What I think is not blaming the game for hardware issue.

    If you want/need to compete in a competitive game mode on any game in the world, you want appropriate hardware. It's not the fault of developers.

    So you want people to spend two thousand dollars for a new iPhone and then constantly upgrade it to newer ones to stay on par, when they can just get a refurbished Android with similar RAM at a fraction of the cost?
    Yes, sure, absolutely, definitely, I want that. whatcha gonna do?
    Steve Jobs is that you?
    If the guy want to reach celestial 1 then they need to buy the latest hardware or give up.

  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    When i use mobile data i always lose 3-4 seconds than when i use wifi
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