Difference in matches using elder marks and energy

LordIgorekLordIgorek Member Posts: 60 ★
in General Discussion
There was always a difference in previous seasons making matches harder when using elder marks, but this season it became riddiculous. In the circuit over 60% of my matches ended in victory when using energy, and below 30% using elder marks. When started using elder marks i went from mysterium II (top 600) to arcane III (top 3 or 3.5k). Harder opponents when using marks and most important terrible draws. I know it is supposes to be rng, but when i get eg kingpin 1 in 10 matches (and not once was he banned) that isnt rng anymore, and thats not only kingpin. With that probability happening so often i would win lottery every week. I understand the game needs to make profit, so they "punish" elder mark matches so people buy more marks... but this season the alghoritms really went over the line.

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  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★
    Buy Items to shuffle Champs again if your RNG is terrible.
  • MiniMFMiniMF Member Posts: 848 ★★★★
    its not that you are getting punished using elders mark its just that the best players are playing with elder marks to farm points lmao, skill issue
  • LordIgorekLordIgorek Member Posts: 60 ★
    MiniMF said:

    its not that you are getting punished using elders mark its just that the best players are playing with elder marks to farm points lmao, skill issue

    Maybe i missed sth, but i have never encountered the rule that when i use elder marks, i fight against player using elder marks. So as long it isn't my ommission your argument is invalid.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,785 ★★★★★
    Sounds like a skill issue to me
  • LordIgorekLordIgorek Member Posts: 60 ★
    ahmynuts said:

    Sounds like a skill issue to me

    That occurs only when fighting using elder marks, and when using energy my skill is few times better?
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Member Posts: 2,774 ★★★★★
    Sounds like a made-up issue to me.
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 5,715 ★★★★★
    LordIgorek said:

    MiniMF said:

    its not that you are getting punished using elders mark its just that the best players are playing with elder marks to farm points lmao, skill issue

    Maybe i missed sth, but i have never encountered the rule that when i use elder marks, i fight against player using elder marks. So as long it isn't my ommission your argument is invalid.
    Kabam has confirmed that there is not different matchmaking for using elder marks or energy. Your opponent in a given match can be using the same as you or different.
  • DONZALOOG1234DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 257 ★
    Do players that use energy match with those who use elder marks?
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 5,715 ★★★★★
    DONZALOOG1234 said:

    Do players that use energy match with those who use elder marks?

    Yes
  • laserjohn26laserjohn26 Member Posts: 1,551 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    So you win with energy. Meaning you increase in rank and play harder opponents. So after losing for a while you switch to energy and get matched against weaker opponents and win. So then after you are ranked higher your switch back to elders marks when matched against stronger players... seems like a common sense issue to me.

    Also the earlier you get to gc the less ranking matters. I got to gc and without playing a match was in mysteriom with zero points because so few had made it yet.

    I HIGHLY suggest you read up on game theory.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,412 ★★★★
    laserjohn26 said:

    So you win with energy. Meaning you increase in rank and play harder opponents. So after losing for a while you switch to energy and get matched against weaker opponents and win. So then after you are ranked higher your switch back to elders marks when matched against stronger players... seems like a common sense issue to me.

    Also the earlier you get to gc the less ranking matters. I got to gc and without playing a match was in mysteriom with zero points because so few had made it yet.

    I HIGHLY suggest you read up on game theory.

    but by the end of GC you will no longer be there on that many points.
  • obsidimanobsidiman Member Posts: 977 ★★★
    LordIgorek said:

    MiniMF said:

    its not that you are getting punished using elders mark its just that the best players are playing with elder marks to farm points lmao, skill issue

    Maybe i missed sth, but i have never encountered the rule that when i use elder marks, i fight against player using elder marks. So as long it isn't my ommission your argument is invalid.
    Just to sate my curiosity...

    Say you use elder marks or energy and match an opponent, how could you possible know which resource your opponent used? Are you friend requesting each person in game to ask them after the match has concluded?

    You're experiencing conformation bias. You've lost a few matches using elder marks so you notice losses with elder marks more. Same with wins with energy. I'm fairly certain matchmaking with elder marks vs energy doesn't make a difference and has no affect on match outcome.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    Correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
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