So Hitting Into Block Parry?

DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
in General Discussion
So I'm doing a random duel and all of a sudden I'm getting parried hitting into block .. I think I'll just restart obviously this is just one of those things like Monica said ... no way this is real when so many champs and nodes rely on hitting into block ... so I restart and the exact thing happens again.

Is this a thing now? If so . that's gonna make my life on attack quite bothersome.

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  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Yeah they had pushed a fix but it made the ai more passive regarding specials so they rolled back
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,167 ★★★★★
    It apparently is worse with champs who have a double hit medium. I noticed it with Werewolf in BGs—hitting block ruptures defenders (and you needed DoT to gain power).

    Imagine my surprise when I kept getting parried striking block…

    Dr. Zola
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,923 ★★★★★
    Yeah no bueno... Domino, silk... Werewolf.. this sucks..
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:

    It apparently is worse with champs who have a double hit medium. I noticed it with Werewolf in BGs—hitting block ruptures defenders (and you needed DoT to gain power).

    Imagine my surprise when I kept getting parried striking block…

    Dr. Zola

    that's exactly who I was using ... Werewolf.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.
  • DeathsworkerDeathsworker Member Posts: 200 ★★
    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    You can be as good as AI.
    Step 1. Run a match against a gambit and watch how fast he blocks.
    Step 2. All you need to do is have a seizure and make sure your thumb is on the screen at the same time to hit peak ai reparry methods.

  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    Wdym, you do have the ability
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,501 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Yeah they had pushed a fix but it made the ai more passive regarding specials so they rolled back

    I just can’t drink the koolaid that says AI hyper speed reactivity and throwing a special are connected.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    AverageDesi said:

    Yeah they had pushed a fix but it made the ai more passive regarding specials so they rolled back

    I just can’t drink the koolaid that says AI hyper speed reactivity and throwing a special are connected.
    That's just coding for you. I've had instances where I fixed an issue by literally just pressing backspace and undo.
  • DeathsworkerDeathsworker Member Posts: 200 ★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    AverageDesi said:

    Yeah they had pushed a fix but it made the ai more passive regarding specials so they rolled back

    I just can’t drink the koolaid that says AI hyper speed reactivity and throwing a special are connected.
    They gave us 2 options
    1. Ai that can reparry and throw intercepts and sp intercepts
    2. Ai that can’t reparry and hold sp until sp3 and immediately throw it
  • Vegeta9001Vegeta9001 Member Posts: 1,709 ★★★★★
    Deathsworker said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    AverageDesi said:

    Yeah they had pushed a fix but it made the ai more passive regarding specials so they rolled back

    I just can’t drink the koolaid that says AI hyper speed reactivity and throwing a special are connected.
    They gave us 2 options
    1. Ai that can reparry and throw intercepts and sp intercepts
    2. Ai that can’t reparry and hold sp until sp3 and immediately throw it
    It must just be me, but AI it still holding specials either just as much, or almost as much, I've said all week, thanos would just hold his specials for 30-60-90 seconds at a time, especially his sp2. It's like he was either waiting for the sp3 or special intercept.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    Wdym, you do have the ability
    LOL how could I have overlooked it
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    side note, I encountered something that may just be specific to Mr. Negative ... when I'm holding heavy for the evade punish, they simply will NOT dash in ... I fought a Kindred in BGs and man ... every single time I had my heavy evade ready .. he would just sit there and block and would not dash in .. not even a little bit.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★
    Guessing based on experience but they probably toned down the AI input sniffing sampling rate. So it doesn’t parry you within blocks but it also doesn’t roll the dice enough to throw specials based on the triggers. Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don’t.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    Realized I never shared the video ...

    https://youtu.be/aKng6ZnTT8A
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,272 ★★★★★
    I wasn't trying to kill him ... just trying to see if the whole parry block thing was actually happening and it was lol
  • Manup456Manup456 Member Posts: 891 ★★★★
    edited January 22
    @Deacon Glad you posted that video that’s exactly what’s going on right now. Other champs are also having this happen but at least it shows exactly what the issue is we are facing.
  • DeathsworkerDeathsworker Member Posts: 200 ★★
    Ai is just mastered at reparrying. Either AI is trained off player data or it’s completely random “roll of the dice”.

    But that wouldn’t explain the increase in holding sp’s, reparrying, sp intercets, light intercepts, etc.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited January 22
    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    https://youtu.be/qn0ZGQmKJEc?si=BxL8fXSsYllg9dKn

    Couldn't find werewolf but yeah. Unless this is not what you mean
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,167 ★★★★★
    Deacon said:

    Realized I never shared the video ...

    https://youtu.be/aKng6ZnTT8A

    Yep. Happens in the instant he gets bulwark and parries you. Double hit medium for the win.

    This seems like it will get fixed. But not until after BGs season.

    Dr. Zola
  • mostlyharmlessnmostlyharmlessn Member Posts: 1,387 ★★★★
    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    I'd be happy if my parries worked against every champ as reliable as they do against BPCW and Mordo.... especially since I don't intentionally parry either of them.....
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,167 ★★★★★
    mostlyharmlessn said:

    Deacon said:

    It'd be cool if they gave the attacker that ability .. so I could just hold block and get parries.

    I'd be happy if my parries worked against every champ as reliable as they do against BPCW and Mordo.... especially since I don't intentionally parry either of them.....
    You mean the sticky extra long parry window you get against those champs? Or on Stunning Reflection?

    Dr. Zola
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