Well done Kabam!

Milan1405

Week 3 of winter of woe is a huge success! Good job everyone who designed that fight, as well as the objectives. It's very fun and not too restrictive; I hope the rest of winter of woe is as fun as this. Also the lag seems to have reduced a bit for me which made getting the solos possible (Abs man, chavez, quicksilver) and the reduced energy timer is a huge pro-player move during this winter-of-woe period where there is so much to do in the game. I hope Dani Moonstar is as fun as hulkling was.

Wicket329

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

jcphillips7

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

I soloed all 3 before even KT1 had finished them all. I was a bit surprised.

Milan1405

It was easy, but I think it's okay as it was such a fun fight. I understand it can be hard to create a really tough fight that is also enjoyable, so I'll happily take this.

Emilia90

I also thought it was super fun, but I agree with Wicket

Personally, I think Abs was overturned, Nebula was perfect, and Hulkling was easy

kus234

It's funny when it's hard we cry when it's easy we cry.. who r we????

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

Wicket329

kus234 said:

It's funny when it's hard we cry when it's easy we cry.. who r we????

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

You’re making some very broad statements based on some very poor reading comprehension here.

And you’ll have a hard time finding where I cry over hard content.

Savage123456789

I wonder if Nebula and Hulkling were tuned down after what happened with abs man or these were the original fights and objectives from the start.

Savage123456789

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

Yeah, but you are forgeting that there is a gauntlet at the end of all four fights and most likely at the end of all 4 seasons. So yes, by itself it might be easy, but look at it in the context of doing all fights at once, you need some easier fights in between and not all pain points. Plus we dont even know what the final objectives will be like.

Wicket329

Savage123456789 said:

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

Yeah, but you are forgeting that there is a gauntlet at the end of all four fights and most likely at the end of all 4 seasons. So yes, by itself it might be easy, but look at it in the context of doing all fights at once, you need some easier fights in between and not all pain points. Plus we dont even know what the final objectives will be like.

I’m not forgetting that. Read the last paragraph of what you quoted.

13579rebel_

Hot take Nebula was easier

FrostGiantLord

Honestly, I'd say this WoW week was a complete success. They created a fun fight, which, while being easy, made the game, well, fun. It's extremely difficult to create a fun fight that's also really enjoyable (prime examples being GM and Superior Kang), but I appreciate the fact that Kabam chose to go down the fun route, as opposed to the WoW Abs Man route.

Emilia90

13579rebel_ said:

Hot take Nebula was easier

Really? I thought there were so many more opportunities to mess up against nebula. Shock when hitting into block + auto block + unblockable and the objectives for her (personally anyway) felt much harder. Massacre and Chavez are both easy solo options this time when I had to do a 10 minute scorp fight for nebula

Demonzfyre

FrostGiantLord said:

Honestly, I'd say this WoW week was a complete success. They created a fun fight, which, while being easy, made the game, well, fun. It's extremely difficult to create a fun fight that's also really enjoyable (prime examples being GM and Superior Kang), but I appreciate the fact that Kabam chose to go down the fun route, as opposed to the WoW Abs Man route.

But is it fun because you don't have to use resources, because it's easy or the fight was well planned and executed?

Finalfuryk

Eh it’s fine. The last two fights in Winter of Woe are making up for that first fight. It’s a fight that completely takes away your block on a character where other than sometimes spacing out the SP 1 is easier than many to stay out of range. It’s just that a lot of players are used to this style of play from years of parry being commonly eliminated by nodes in many quests. It’s a fun fight and too many people aren’t taking the win here for some reason.

kus234

Let's stop fusing about anything and everything..I appreciate the post starter .. yes it's a fun fight and we all are liking it... Some challenge..more ways to do..all in all very fun and let's just enjoy rather than trying to dissect it..

13579rebel_

13579rebel_ said:

Hot take Nebula was easier

Emilia90 said:

13579rebel_ said:

Hot take Nebula was easier

Really? I thought there were so many more opportunities to mess up against nebula. Shock when hitting into block + auto block + unblockable and the objectives for her (personally anyway) felt much harder. Massacre and Chavez are both easy solo options this time when I had to do a 10 minute scorp fight for nebula

Honestly against Hulkling if I blocked I died
Against nebula all I needed was a shock immune the autoblock and unblockable were easier to deal with

GroundedWisdom

It was fine the way it is. Good Fight. Some things will be too easy for anyone.

kus234

GroundedWisdom said:

It was fine the way it is. Good Fight. Some things will be too easy for anyone.

And they are called Crybabies

Wicket329

kus234 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It was fine the way it is. Good Fight. Some things will be too easy for anyone.

And they are called Crybabies

It’s truly wild that you’d rather insult people for what you think they said than actually read what was written.

captain_rogers

I'll rather have the fights way easier than having them insanely harder.

Hulkling is perfect fight, why? Because it is completely based on skill. You are supposed to change your playstyle and attack him in a specific way. Do actions you mostly don't do. This is just like necropolis elsa bloodstone fight
Fun and skill based. And not demanding a hard counter.

Deacon

the trick is finding a proper balance ... what we've gotten lately is so far skewed on one end be that hard or easy and there's no middle. they either strike out by making it just unnecessarily hard or strike out making it too easy ... the goal is in between .. making a fun and difficult fight that properly challenges without being just some over the top to please a few people.

Chuck_Finley

They got the paragon masses weeded out with abs man . All those that couldn’t get him down can’t reach all the objectives for the deathless king groot piece and the final milestone available to obtain. And they got enough units from everyone else.

That’s all they wanted….

PT_99

Wicket329 said:

Elitist Wicket Hot Take: this was too easy for this content.

Absolutely agreed that it’s a fun fight. I like it a lot, and I think it’s got a place in the game. I think that if you scale his stats down he’d make a great story quest boss.

But like… I should not be able to go in and solo a WoW boss on the very first attempt. It should require practice. Instead I got three solos within a single energy meter, without having gone to YouTube or the forums for advice first (used Chavez, Abs Man, and Ronin).

This fight was just a big Hulkling. There were no damage threats besides getting hit, the challenge came from being able to damage him, which was done by knocking him down and hitting into his block. You don’t need 3000 IQ to manage that.

That all being said, I’ll withhold total judgment until the final quest is released. It’s always possible that taking multiple of these fights together will be substantially more challenging than the sum of their parts.

True need the node of, "Defender only takes 10% damage then after defender gains indestructible unblockble."
This week was too easy 😎

Milan1405

As Wicket said, I do think it's important to bear in mind that although nebula and hulkling seem straightforward now, at the end, we will have to do all these fights in a row, and potentially with some pretty restrictive teams, depending on how Kabam wants to do it (e.g class based or tag based).

Also a lot of content in the game isn't 'fun' right now. EQ and side quests are pretty dull, BGs has its fair share of problems for many people, Fintech's challenges are a nightmare etc. So what, if this hulkling fight is a tad on the easy side? It's fun and that's a trade-off I'll happily take any day of the week. I often criticise Kabam when I think they've made a mistake, so it's only fair to give them credit where I think it's due.

Wicket329

Milan1405 said:

As Wicket said, I do think it's important to bear in mind that although nebula and hulkling seem straightforward now, at the end, we will have to do all these fights in a row, and potentially with some pretty restrictive teams, depending on how Kabam wants to do it (e.g class based or tag based).

Also a lot of content in the game isn't 'fun' right now. EQ and side quests are pretty dull, BGs has its fair share of problems for many people, Fintech's challenges are a nightmare etc. So what, if this hulkling fight is a tad on the easy side? It's fun and that's a trade-off I'll happily take any day of the week. I often criticise Kabam when I think they've made a mistake, so it's only fair to give them credit where I think it's due.

Yeah, truly no problem with it if we get to the final quest and find that Hulkling is designed this way to offset more challenging fights on his path. That would make perfect sense.

Appreciate you reading through that last paragraph, I know I can ramble. I figured I’d draw a fair bit of flak with that post, but just had to put the opinion out there.

My guess for the layout of the final quest is:
PATH ONE:
Abs Man
Nebula
New Challenger Approaches
Shared Boss

PATH TWO:
Hulkling
Dani
New Challenger!
Shared Boss

Alternatively, I could see it also being Abs Man/Hulkling and Dani/Nebula as the path pairings. If Dani is tougher, the idea might have been to pair an easier fight with a more challenging one. Either way, I’m looking forward to it.

Sceptilemaniac2

I completely agree.
I smoked the fight within like 5 mins of it coming out.
I also agree that abs-man was way overtuned, nebula was meh but this fight is just easy.
People say take the W or it's a "fun" fight but I just don't get where the fun is in a fight like this. No challenge, no problem solving. Just button mash and you win.

Milan1405

Sceptilemaniac2 said:

I completely agree.
I smoked the fight within like 5 mins of it coming out.
I also agree that abs-man was way overtuned, nebula was meh but this fight is just easy.
People say take the W or it's a "fun" fight but I just don't get where the fun is in a fight like this. No challenge, no problem solving. Just button mash and you win.

I think it's great Kabam made it easier as a lot of people having been suffering from more dropped input and lag issues. Thus if this challenge were really difficult it could cost people a lot of resources and it wouldn't even be there fault. But since this is relatively easy, if you get a dropped input or die to lag, it's no worries as you can just restart and it's not a big deal as this fight is actually very enjoyable.

Also I love the reduced timer for energy. Really great pro-player move and it really encourages you to be more active and play the game more, so hopefully Kabam bring it back in the future.