Double Medium Parry: Permanent Feature?

DrZola

With the addition of AW nodes and full mastery defenders in Showcase to the already frustrating experience with double mediums in BGs, I think it’s fair to ask whether this is just something we are tacitly being asked to get used to.

The bug regrettably afflicts some top end attackers (Cat and Silk and Werewolf at top of my list). Introduction of timed or competitive content that disadvantages double medium attackers makes it feel like the bug isn’t really a consideration.

If the double medium parry can’t be fixed, I’d respectfully ask for a statement to that effect as well as some effort to ameliorate the issue. Perhaps refraining from releasing champs with MM hits would also be a good idea.

There have been multiple threads over months—with little to no response. I think it would be appreciated if the team would be open about the prospects for a fix.

Dr. Zola

Crys23

For me, the first double medium isn't the one parried, but the next Light after. Since I noticed this, I only do the medium (double hit) into block, no light attack after.

ahmynuts

We also should talk about getting parried when hitting into a defenders block. It happend to me in war multiple times yesterday and cost deaths

BigBlueOx

ahmynuts said:

We also should talk about getting parried when hitting into a defenders block. It happend to me in war multiple times yesterday and cost deaths

Super fun when the tactic is designed for you to hit block

ahmynuts

BigBlueOx said:

ahmynuts said:

We also should talk about getting parried when hitting into a defenders block. It happend to me in war multiple times yesterday and cost deaths

Super fun when the tactic is designed for you to hit block

That's exactly why I was hitting block in the first place. M,L and get parried, eat a combo, die

captain_rogers

Quicksilver is so fun...

You never knew when you get parried in mid of combo, it's always a gamble🥰

PT_99

It's quite hilarious that something game breaking is allowed to be exist for months now.

Like legit shameful. I very much love ladyD but her double mediums always scares me, like come on, at this rate Kabam should just introduce,
"If enemy doesn't hit player for more than 5 seconds, player recieve 50% burst damage, IMMEDIATELY" node.

xLunatiXx

Wait until next month champs have a double medium and bug is still out there 😬
No but seriously if that's the case, temporarily switch them with a single medium

BigBlueOx

PT_99 said:

It's quite hilarious that something game breaking is allowed to be exist for months now.

Like legit shameful. I very much love ladyD but her double mediums always scares me, like come on, at this rate Kabam should just introduce,
"If enemy doesn't hit player for more than 5 seconds, player recieve 50% burst damage, IMMEDIATELY" node.

What’s sadder is this has been in the game since May 2022, it dates back to the update with EoP Blade’s debut. I recall this as there was a Mercenary challenge that BWDO should have been insane for… and she was except if you weren’t careful he could melt you by re-parrying your double medium, or following light with his bleeds. It’s been 22 months since this bug was first reported. 22 months with new champs like Lady D or WWBN getting added with double mediums, 22 months with content being released where you are asked to hit the block, 22 months of new threads like this one…

Sorry for the frustration… but it’s bugs like this that create a sentiment, that non-player friendly bugs aren’t a priority for the team. At least this one is finally being acknowledged after 18 months of it being in the game but still 3 to 4 months and no fix. So I completely empathize and agree with Dr. Zola’s tone on this one.

Edit: heck this might even predate the Blade EoP fight where I know there were many threads pointing this out.

BringPopcorn

I don't know if they changed something to try to fix it or what is happening, my relics are getting blocked. Not whiffing just getting blocked when I try to chain them.
Regarding the double hit parries, Domino gets parried on light (sometimes) after hitting block with medium, I guess that makes kinda sense being that they are non contact hits. It doesn't happen as often as double hits from Wolf or Silk.

Vanitelia

It's a bummer since WWN and Domino are both tactic attackers. I haven't used either this season because of the parry chance.

Side note...wasn't Drax the first champ with double medium. I remember when his animations were changed...

horrendous_too

Now that would be an interesting idea. Just make all double med champs have the first light be non contact. Obviously would also have downsides in that when defending and they do that walk up light intercept nonsense you wouldn't be able to stun them. But it feels to me that the being actually able to use them on attack would vastly overshadow that downside. Its not like the majority of them are strong defenders. Domino already has this, tigra, BWDO Stealth spidey and silk are primarily attackers. Lady D has some defensive potential, but not tons. So it would really just be a boost to WWBN.

BringPopcorn

Vanitelia said:

It's a bummer since WWN and Domino are both tactic attackers. I haven't used either this season because of the parry chance.

Side note...wasn't Drax the first champ with double medium. I remember when his animations were changed...

Correct.. and I remember they were able to fix him somehow because he had some weird bug too; but that took a long time to fix.

BigBlueOx

Yeah Relic’s getting auto blocked is worse than ever this month… another thing that never seems to be addressed

PT_99

Wolverine relic continues to not connect, you love to see it pal 😘

BringPopcorn

PT_99 said:

Wolverine relic continues to not connect, you love to see it pal 😘

Whiffing is one thing, they are getting blocked now.

Thokk150

Another bug that I noticed is hyperion no longer being able to chain his sp2 during a heavy, I tried chaining it after the first hit or during the burst of hits but to no avail, a bummer since sometimes you can't parry in incursions (which is mainly where I use him) or in other scenarios, and if you can parry it's still chip damage that adds up (especially in incursions)

Thokk150

PT_99 said:

Wolverine relic continues to not connect, you love to see it pal 😘

Altough I haven't been having too many problems with wolverine (altough it does whiff more than it needs to, which should be never), my iron fist relic does not seem to hit like ever, his first hit doesn't even register most of the time

EdisonLaw

Let’s hope the next two champs, Spidey punk and prowler don’t have double mediums

SirGamesBond

Old meme for old bug.
Intensified miike's pointing finger to the camera: "adapt and git gud".

Siliyo

“AI doesn’t change” 🙄 (in case you can’t tell, this really upsets me)

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DrZola

I get a lot of *shrugging* because I for some reason have rampant connection/phone issues. When the defender suddenly wakes up mid heavy from my Silk or Chavez and blocks me, I think that’s just whatever a crappy code + crappy connection + older 13 Pro Max combo does.

However, this isn’t that at all.

It’s a bug. Or it’s a bug that has become a feature. Or something else I can’t think of right now.

All I’m asking is for the team to level with us. If it’s unfixable, just say.

Dr. Zola

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Greekhit

ahmynuts said:

We also should talk about getting parried when hitting into a defenders block. It happend to me in war multiple times yesterday and cost deaths

That happens because AI doesn’t hold block consistently when you hit them on block like it always used to, but instead spams blocks during your combo into their blocks.
That block/release/block sequence may end up in a well timed block that gets you parried.
In other words, AI is able to reparry now 😂

Crcrcrc

better yet why don’t we disable parry defensively until this is fixed, it’s not like it makes defenders stronger when it isn’t bugged.

DanielRand

Couple of good ideas here and yet crickets from Kabam…::

klobberintyme

The opponent status resets after a hit. I noticed it a while ago, and you can see from numerous vids over months. The biggest difference now is previously ai reaction move wouldn't fall in the window of hit/ reset/ next hit, but clearly not the case now. That's why during multi hit specials that don't include stun I'm crossing my fingers.

I've just adjusted my fight style. If it reverts, cool, if not, this is how i fight now.

NüΚΞ

Greekhit said:

ahmynuts said:

We also should talk about getting parried when hitting into a defenders block. It happend to me in war multiple times yesterday and cost deaths

That happens because AI doesn’t hold block consistently when you hit them on block like it always used to, but instead spams blocks during your combo into their blocks.
That block/release/block sequence may end up in a well timed block that gets you parried.
In other words, AI is able to reparry now 😂

So true. Especially noticeable when you’re trying to get a champ to switch modes. I’m thinking photon here and hitting into block to turn on pure light…. Good luck lol.

NüΚΞ

horrendous_too said:

Now that would be an interesting idea. Just make all double med champs have the first light be non contact. Obviously would also have downsides in that when defending and they do that walk up light intercept nonsense you wouldn't be able to stun them. But it feels to me that the being actually able to use them on attack would vastly overshadow that downside. Its not like the majority of them are strong defenders. Domino already has this, tigra, BWDO Stealth spidey and silk are primarily attackers. Lady D has some defensive potential, but not tons. So it would really just be a boost to WWBN.

Also ridiculous the walk up light intercept. The amount of light intercepting the AI does now is wild. Walk up intercept, dash back intercept. Light intercept god mode

DarkNightRise

DrZola said:

With the addition of AW nodes and full mastery defenders in Showcase to the already frustrating experience with double mediums in BGs, I think it’s fair to ask whether this is just something we are tacitly being asked to get used to.

The bug regrettably afflicts some top end attackers (Cat and Silk and Werewolf at top of my list). Introduction of timed or competitive content that disadvantages double medium attackers makes it feel like the bug isn’t really a consideration.

If the double medium parry can’t be fixed, I’d respectfully ask for a statement to that effect as well as some effort to ameliorate the issue. Perhaps refraining from releasing champs with MM hits would also be a good idea.

There have been multiple threads over months—with little to no response. I think it would be appreciated if the team would be open about the prospects for a fix.

Dr. Zola

On behalf on @Kabam Miike, let me answer it for you.
This is a bug we already acknowledged, however it requires much more work behind, thus we don’t have a timeline to fix it yet. At the meantime, please be familiar with it, in other words, just accept the current situation of the game. We only share when if we have something to share, if not, we will keep silent as usual.

Does this sound like him guys?