Commendations on the Great Showcase for DKG

Just a comment giving the team congrats for the terrific showcase the SoS objective provides for the abilities of Deathless King Groot.

I cannot think of a more apt or better scenario to demonstrate everything DKG can do in game. It’s invigorating to see how brightly he can shine in game. Good job!

Dr. Zola

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horrendous_too

See now I am conflicted. I love the challenges to dupe the deathless champs. Super cool idea. But personally I would have rather done the previous week (even with no buffs or debuffs) than onslaught with DKG. Onslaught just negates his damage rotation completely while his wonky AI either takes 19 baits to throw and special or throws while you are dashing back. I almost managed the solo with herc, used a couple revives with shang chi and photon but just could never get into a rhythm with DKG and ended up reviving him down.

Ercarret

Yeah, I absolutely agree. When we saw the Deathless Guillotine objective, I saw many of us being surprised by how well she did in that fight. It was a great showcase for the kind of potential she holds, and I really liked that.

However, this objective is the complete opposite. Instead of giving us an opportunity to see how well Deathless King Groot can deal with a Spring of Sorrow-type fight, we're asked to complete a very difficult fight while being completely hamstrung in the damage department. You can't use the big payoff that comes from the SP2 since that special will place an incinerate on Onslaught, which in turn will kick his neuroshocks into overdrive. With such a beefy Onslaught, that's practically suicide.

Instead, you're left with a special attack that does, yes, stack up to 10 armor breaks. That's nothing to sneeze at. But they're only really good in conjunction with the SP2, especially since they also lower the defender's energy resistance by up to 80%.

Without any armor breaks, you hit like a wet noodle. However, even with 10 armor breaks, your damage ramps up to an al freaking dente noodle.

And when you've stacked those armor breaks, the only option you have left (other than continuing to spam SP1s for some reason) is to go for the big SP3 that mainly serves to heal you. Indeed, you can spend a fury buff to increase that regen. Healing is always nice, but it only really helps to prolong an already annoying long fight.

I'm not saying the Deathless champs should be exceptional counters to the SoS champions that they are objectives for, but it would be nice if we could at least use them at their full(ish) potential. Not every piece of utility has to be in play, obviously - I was perfectly happy with not having any kind of regen for Deathless Guilly to reverse in the Dani fight - but it would be nice if we walked away feeling happy about the champion that we not only fought long and hard to acquire in the first place, but now also to awaken. That's what I felt after using DG in the Dani fight, and that's what's (sorely) lacking with DKG in this fight.

I hope that the future Deathless objectives are more fun and make me excited about all of the hard work I've put in to get them in the first place.

captain_rogers

One thing everyone's forgetting is DKG was able to remove daunted debuffs and organic magnetism debuffs without them reapplying as passives. That's really cool bout him.

Emilia90

One thing everyone's forgetting is DKG was able to remove daunted debuffs and organic magnetism debuffs without them reapplying as passives. That's really cool bout him.

Yeah he’s slow af for the fight but surprisingly safe imo. Regen and shrugging the daunted is very useful for getting the solo, even if it does take 500 years

Ashacekar

My DG is unduped and my DKG will remain unduped as well. May i don't love them enough. I did cheese Mr Krabs with Shang and did tiresome fight with Photon but won't stress it more.

Though since the challenge contained champs like Shang, Mole Man, DKG, i thought they could have added some shrug off debuff thing.

PT_99

My DG is unduped and my DKG will remain unduped as well. May i don't love them enough. I did cheese Mr Krabs with Shang and did tiresome fight with Photon but won't stress it more.

Though since the challenge contained champs like Shang, Mole Man, DKG, i thought they could have added some shrug off debuff thing.

It'll be like 10 revive spam feista with DKG, just get it done tbh.
You can get those in 5 days, that's right, 5.

captain_rogers

My DG is unduped and my DKG will remain unduped as well. May i don't love them enough. I did cheese Mr Krabs with Shang and did tiresome fight with Photon but won't stress it more.

Though since the challenge contained champs like Shang, Mole Man, DKG, i thought they could have added some shrug off debuff thing.
It'll be like 10 revive spam feista with DKG, just get it done tbh.
You can get those in 5 days, that's right, 5.

Is it a guaranteed win at 10 revives tho? Sometimes I diee immediately and sometimes I can take around 10-15% of his health. What if I start revive spamming but end up without a good run?

JT_Supreme

I got excited for a second thought this was a saving guide😂

DrZola

Sadly, no @JT_Supreme 😂

Also, @Ercarret you win the forums prize for the day for the phrase “an al freaking dente noodle”

He’s so ugly. I love him!

Dr. Zola

Graves_3

Sadly, no @JT_Supreme 😂

Also, @Ercarret you win the forums prize for the day for the phrase “an al freaking dente noodle”

He’s so ugly. I love him!

Dr. Zola

What did you do finally? Did you rank him up and used recoils? How many revives?

DrZola

Sadly, no @JT_Supreme 😂

Also, @Ercarret you win the forums prize for the day for the phrase “an al freaking dente noodle”

He’s so ugly. I love him!

Dr. Zola
What did you do finally? Did you rank him up and used recoils? How many revives?

He was R2. I slowly practiced until I could get at least 10% off the first run, then picked a solid effort (about 15% down) and decided to keep going.

Not great gameplay, but managed to get a couple of 25% or more damage runs just throwing Sp1 for armor breaks and dexing his Sp1 (never Sp2). After a KO, I would turn off WiFi and the game and start it all back up again (because my frame rate kept getting chunky after a few minutes of fighting).

I counted 6-7 revives to ~250K health remaining (the first million or so health). Just L1 revives and YOLO thereafter with a couple of runs cut short by cheap shots and cheesy AI from Onslaught. I’d estimate a dozen revives total but at that point I didn’t really care. I had L1s in overflow.

Main takeaway: if the AI wants to KO you, it will—either by cornering you, light intercepting, snap lights or double evading (yes, that happened) with an immediate counter-combo.

It was far from clean, but it is done. I knew it would take me more items than Shang so I gritted my teeth and kept going.

Dr. Zola

Magrailothos

Sadly, no @JT_Supreme 😂

Also, @Ercarret you win the forums prize for the day for the phrase “an al freaking dente noodle”

He’s so ugly. I love him!

Dr. Zola
What did you do finally? Did you rank him up and used recoils? How many revives?
He was R2. I slowly practiced until I could get at least 10% off the first run, then picked a solid effort (about 15% down) and decided to keep going.

Not great gameplay, but managed to get a couple of 25% or more damage runs just throwing Sp1 for armor breaks and dexing his Sp1 (never Sp2). After a KO, I would turn off WiFi and the game and start it all back up again (because my frame rate kept getting chunky after a few minutes of fighting).

I counted 6-7 revives to ~250K health remaining (the first million or so health). Just L1 revives and YOLO thereafter with a couple of runs cut short by cheap shots and cheesy AI from Onslaught. I’d estimate a dozen revives total but at that point I didn’t really care. I had L1s in overflow.

Main takeaway: if the AI wants to KO you, it will—either by cornering you, light intercepting, snap lights or double evading (yes, that happened) with an immediate counter-combo.

It was far from clean, but it is done. I knew it would take me more items than Shang so I gritted my teeth and kept going.

Dr. Zola

That was pretty much my approach. Nine or ten revives all in, I think.

Still, very happy to have him Awakened now - he's a lot of fun. And his fiery animations on his Heavy and Specials are just great.

Herbal_Taxman

This was one of the weirder fights for me. First 70%, totally passive / maddening AI with the weird pauses, the holding block, the light intercepting, etc. Last 30% it was like a switch flipped and he started charging at me more, only hit i to my block once or twice before throwing heavy after heavy and trying to back me into the corner. Skynet was learning in real time.

Vegeta9001

while his wonky AI either takes 19 baits to throw and special or throws while you are dashing back.

I don't know if the games mocking me, but I had pretty easy solo's with Shang Chi and Quicksilver, AI played ball after a couple times. But anytime I lock in DKG Onslaught just decided to curl up in a ball and cry all fight. Like, it's a fighting game where the opponent just doesn't want to fight. 75% block, 20% back off, 5% flail angrily into the air, 0% dash forward.

JT_Supreme

while his wonky AI either takes 19 baits to throw and special or throws while you are dashing back.
I don't know if the games mocking me, but I had pretty easy solo's with Shang Chi and Quicksilver, AI played ball after a couple times. But anytime I lock in DKG Onslaught just decided to curl up in a ball and cry all fight. Like, it's a fighting game where the opponent just doesn't want to fight. 75% block, 20% back off, 5% flail angrily into the air, 0% dash forward.

Yeah no problem with Shang and photon, but with dkg, onslaught is so passive. It might be the longer dex, similar to venom so it doesn’t trigger an sp as reliably as a shorter dex champ.