2nd Best Skill Defender?

Polygon

So its obvious Bullseye takes spot #1 in BGs, who do you think is the next best after him?

Note: This is assuming rank 3 for each, so champs that would normally just nuke Attuma down fast and still get a high score against the r2 like Hulkling or Juggs would lose a lot of health against the r3

ItsClobberinTime

Korg

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

GrO_ot78

Korg

I don't know if the premise is right here, high sig Korg is more challenging imo than Bullseye. Kitty, Odin or AA (+ more) VS Bullseye, then you can finish quickly with a lot of health.



I have unduped R3 Bullseye, R2 unduped KM and R2 60 sig Korg in my deck. Korg is still the one who causes the most problems for the opponent.
But KM in various metas takes time. This season without a cosmic attacker? Time out if he didn't kill the opponent.

SecondSkriller

KM

There’s no way people struggle with Korg in 2024… there’s so many counters, from Bishop to Pyramid X to Onslaught everyone counters him.

captain_rogers

Korg

Nick fury for me, He stalls and is real annoying.

Rayven5220

KM

GrO_ot78 said:

I don't know if the premise is right here, high sig Korg is more challenging imo than Bullseye. Kitty, Odin or AA (+ more) VS Bullseye, then you can finish quickly with a lot of health.



I have unduped R3 Bullseye, R2 unduped KM and R2 60 sig Korg in my deck. Korg is still the one who causes the most problems for the opponent.
But KM in various metas takes time. This season without a cosmic attacker? Time out if he didn't kill the opponent.

Come on bro, of course a sig 60 r2 korg is gonna do better than an unduped KM. Lol

Surprising to me that he does better than a r3 bullseye, though, not gonna lie.

My r3 sig 70+ KM rarely sees play because he's banned alot, or I don't draft him or they have cgr to absolutely nuke him.

It's annoying.

I will admit, korg is verytanky even when you have a good counter though.

JT_Supreme

Korg

SecondSkriller said:

There’s no way people struggle with Korg in 2024… there’s so many counters, from Bishop to Pyramid X to Onslaught everyone counters him.

People do lol, he’s like my most won defender this season.

Polygon

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

captain_rogers

Korg

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Not really, even using someone who has one or two basic non contact hits (domino, onslaught) or champ whose damage come mostly for non contact specials/DOT can nuke attuma with atleast 80% health.

Korg doesn't need a counter, but when you don't have one, there's a lot of room to mistake. Even the best players mess up dexing his sp1, Rock stacks limit your damage and rotation, High sig makes him even annoying. Korg has more counters but attuma is easy to fight.

Emilia90

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Not really, even using someone who has one or two basic non contact hits (domino, onslaught) or champ whose damage come mostly for non contact specials/DOT can nuke attuma with atleast 80% health.

Korg doesn't need a counter, but when you don't have one, there's a lot of room to mistake. Even the best players mess up dexing his sp1, Rock stacks limit your damage and rotation, High sig makes him even annoying. Korg has more counters but attuma is easy to fight.

That health loss means a lot in battlegrounds though. I’ve used various champs on Att and that health loss has lost me a few matches

captain_rogers

Korg

Emilia90 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Not really, even using someone who has one or two basic non contact hits (domino, onslaught) or champ whose damage come mostly for non contact specials/DOT can nuke attuma with atleast 80% health.

Korg doesn't need a counter, but when you don't have one, there's a lot of room to mistake. Even the best players mess up dexing his sp1, Rock stacks limit your damage and rotation, High sig makes him even annoying. Korg has more counters but attuma is easy to fight.

That health loss means a lot in battlegrounds though. I’ve used various champs on Att and that health loss has lost me a few matches

Yeah it matters but unless you play perfectly, without a counter, high sig korg will either stall or make you lose more health than a attuma.

ItsClobberinTime

Korg

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Emilia90

captain_rogers said:

Emilia90 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Not really, even using someone who has one or two basic non contact hits (domino, onslaught) or champ whose damage come mostly for non contact specials/DOT can nuke attuma with atleast 80% health.

Korg doesn't need a counter, but when you don't have one, there's a lot of room to mistake. Even the best players mess up dexing his sp1, Rock stacks limit your damage and rotation, High sig makes him even annoying. Korg has more counters but attuma is easy to fight.

That health loss means a lot in battlegrounds though. I’ve used various champs on Att and that health loss has lost me a few matches

Yeah it matters but unless you play perfectly, without a counter, high sig korg will either stall or make you lose more health than a attuma.

That’s fair. Both are great defenders but I’d agree with that. Korg needs the sigs a lot and I haven’t struggled that much with sig 20-40 korg’s since they don’t shrug much, but high sig korg’s are insanely annoying

Polygon

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

ItsClobberinTime

Korg

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

EdisonLaw

KM

Where is Nick Fury?

EdisonLaw

KM

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

Are we expecting her to get a damage bump soon, or is she fine for now?

ItsClobberinTime

Korg

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

Are we expecting her to get a damage bump soon, or is she fine for now?

I want her to get a damage bump so she doesn't need double sp1 after sp2 but it's highly unlikely because of how strong she is on the utility side. One wrong step and they could make her absolutely busted.

peixemacaco

Korg

Attuma is pretty easy to me.

Black Panther, KillMonger and "White" Widow are true demons

So..Korg

Polygon

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

Are we expecting her to get a damage bump soon, or is she fine for now?

I want her to get a damage bump so she doesn't need double sp1 after sp2 but it's highly unlikely because of how strong she is on the utility side. One wrong step and they could make her absolutely busted.

To be fair, the game already has these busted attackers and defenders like Juggs, spam, hulk Bullseye, Serpent etc

I personally think we're shooting ourselves in the foot when we say (not you specifically) that the utility justifies the low damage , because shes also not going to be used outside the skill class, shes got a specific niche. Unlike Juggs/Hulk/Spam/Sunspot that can take multiple classes. And even then they could just do a slight bump like not needing multiple sp1s like you say for instance.

The way she is right now is just too low of damage to the point where i see people in BGs streams that have her in their deck, always draft a faster option over her. Shuri is at least an auto draft when they have attuma/domino for e.g

ItsClobberinTime

Korg

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

Are we expecting her to get a damage bump soon, or is she fine for now?

I want her to get a damage bump so she doesn't need double sp1 after sp2 but it's highly unlikely because of how strong she is on the utility side. One wrong step and they could make her absolutely busted.

To be fair, the game already has these busted attackers and defenders like Juggs, spam, hulk Bullseye, Serpent etc

I personally think we're shooting ourselves in the foot when we say (not you specifically) that the utility justifies the low damage , because shes also not going to be used outside the skill class, shes got a specific niche. Unlike Juggs/Hulk/Spam/Sunspot that can take multiple classes. And even then they could just do a slight bump like not needing multiple sp1s like you say for instance.

The way she is right now is just too low of damage to the point where i see people in BGs streams that have her in their deck, always draft a faster option over her. Shuri is at least an auto draft when they have attuma/domino for e.g

We do but you gotta keep in mind neither of those shut down an entire class completely. Sunspot Hulk Juggs etc they're very fast in most matchups but if you look at their utility it's really not all that, they barely have any compared to the swiss army knife Negasonic is which is why she shuts down every single meta skill defender other than Nick.

She was never meant to be a nuke or anything like that, she was meant to be the safest option for all these meta defenders. There's a reason Kabam changed the scoring system a while ago and health matters more than speed now, they don't want people nuking stuff winning, they want the player with more health winning. I'm not saying I don't want her to get a buff cause I do but I doubt Kabam wants that for her.

Polygon

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I think sig level is key here. Low sig KM, high sig Korg.

Even a high korg can have his sig worked around though from light intercepting, or countered. Attuma 's you need a direct counter and negasonic/shuri for the most part are gonna be slow

Ehhhh not that slow, Shuri can do same rank in 45-50 and so can Negasonic, Onslaught does him in 45 too and everyone has him in their decks. While Korg can be light intercepted it's not as easy as you think cause his heavy is really hard to punish. Also, he's still a tank even against a lot of mutants cause of the crit resistance and if he's high sig he's basically KM on steroids with less crit resistance.

Yeah and a lot of people will have r3 Shuri, but something tells me hardly anyone is gonna want to rank 3 Negasonic when shes for the most part not going to do fights fast enough to get a good time. And if the attuma was r3 then it would mainly be onslaught/shuri (same rank). I'm not sure how good Domino is but I do know that Juggs /Hulkling etc will take a lot of damage (like 80% health left)

Personally I would r3 Negasonic, we all know r3s are busted atm so imo this would be the best time to r3 Negasonic while it still matters, and she could really use that massive damage boost precisely due to her damage not being the best. Once r3s are a lot more common she won't be as good until we get the first r4 7*s

Are we expecting her to get a damage bump soon, or is she fine for now?

I want her to get a damage bump so she doesn't need double sp1 after sp2 but it's highly unlikely because of how strong she is on the utility side. One wrong step and they could make her absolutely busted.

To be fair, the game already has these busted attackers and defenders like Juggs, spam, hulk Bullseye, Serpent etc

I personally think we're shooting ourselves in the foot when we say (not you specifically) that the utility justifies the low damage , because shes also not going to be used outside the skill class, shes got a specific niche. Unlike Juggs/Hulk/Spam/Sunspot that can take multiple classes. And even then they could just do a slight bump like not needing multiple sp1s like you say for instance.

The way she is right now is just too low of damage to the point where i see people in BGs streams that have her in their deck, always draft a faster option over her. Shuri is at least an auto draft when they have attuma/domino for e.g

We do but you gotta keep in mind neither of those shut down an entire class completely. Sunspot Hulk Juggs etc they're very fast in most matchups but if you look at their utility it's really not all that, they barely have any compared to the swiss army knife Negasonic is which is why she shuts down every single meta skill defender other than Nick.

She was never meant to be a nuke or anything like that, she was meant to be the safest option for all these meta defenders. There's a reason Kabam changed the scoring system a while ago and health matters more than speed now, they don't want people nuking stuff winning, they want the player with more health winning. I'm not saying I don't want her to get a buff cause I do but I doubt Kabam wants that for her.

Yeah i agree with you, for regular content/questing, she definitely has the value there, but since BGs is the most relevant game mode , I'd argue that those high damage caliber but low utility champs like Hulk/Juggs/Sunspot hold more value than champs with a lot of utility but mid damage. Since for instance,those kind of champs would get you more points than NTW which can be the difference between a win and a loss.

Another counter argument is Kushala, she has a butt load of utility but still has the damage (and even more utility than Negasonic). Her damage is not broken , but still very good, which is what i think Nega can be with a slight numbers tune up.

I think at the very minimum they can make her get a more QOL style buff like Shuri did , for e.g refreshing the charges from like a heavy . The numbers style buff is preferred ofc but at the very least an ease of use buff could be considered. And if more people share the sentiment, and post about it etc, it can possibly alter what the outcome of the rebalance period would be. And if not, at the very least, it would help them realize all the mid damage champs that we've been getting as of late this year