Balance system is a joke, something needs to be done! Referring to DLL comments on silver sable

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  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,407 ★★★★★

    Lol I’m watching his stream rn and heard him say that a little while ago. And yea, I rolled my eyes. I don’t necessarily think it’s laziness on kabam’s part, but she does not come anywhere close to the 4/5 damage she’s supposed to have.

    I know a lot of people like DLL for his champ designs, and I respect the effort he puts in, but damn do I disagree with so many things he says. I get that as a designer he’s gonna be strict on what he thinks is “too strong,” but he has called Kingpin broken, he said today that he thinks Cheeilth and Onslaught have too good of heavy reach, and that they went too far with them. Then he defends every new mid champ with arguments like what he said for sable that are just so blatantly untrue. He literally assumes that everyone who comments on sable doesn’t use her, which means he thinks barely anyone actually plays her lmao.

    But the irony of it all is that he’s who designed serpent, the biggest meta breaker of them all. Ok rant over.


    While I also sometimes tend to disagree with DLL, let's talk about the 3 champions you mentioned. KP is nowhere near as broken as he was, say a yr ago, but upon rework he was. Next, Cheeilth & Onslaught, both their heavies do have a ridiculous heavy reach. More Cheeilth than Onslaught, imo, but again he's not wrong. As much I enjoy using OG hulk, his rework, especially the sp1 stun lock is also busted. He's not advocating for those things to be changed now, he's just stating both, his opinion & what he thinks is his truth. While I'll agree with him, you don't have to, but if you look at it from as an impartial observation w/out investment, you might agree too. Lastly, as for serpent, I'd be willing to bet he probably think he needs a defensive tune down. I'm not trying to "white knight" for DLL, he's just speaking from a game standpoint & sees the whole picture. Where as us as the community, have a tendency to balk at champion changes, especially when it comes to changes that would effect champions we use in possibly the way others deem "busted"
    The problem with not advocating for broken champs to be changed and advocating for new champs to be mid instead is that the game's meta will remain the same, the broken champs will stay at the top and a lot of people won't have any interest in the newer ones cause they can't compete with the ones at the top.
    It's easy to see why some people would disagree with DLL there, I disagree too cause the meta staying the same with the same top broken champs year after year is starting to bore me to death.
  • the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Member Posts: 387 ★★★
    edited August 4
    There are a lot of paragraphs being written here.
    The keys things for you Kabam,
    1. Why give her 4/5 on damage output if she actually is NOT able to come anywhere near it in a fight ? If this is her intended target..you need to fix her..if its not the intended target just say we made a mistake.
    2. When you do the rebalance, I urge you to pull out the player data and check actually how many people are using her in story/Battlegrounds etc. The data should prove what the people are talking about right now.
    3. She is a noodle right now and there needs to be a tune-up. I do understand every champ is not supposed to be a BG demon in attack or defense. Even then in regular story content use..even ramped up there isn't enough damage. This criteria alone should be enough to give her a second look.
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,273 ★★★★★
    The issue is that Sable doesn't have anything that makes her stand out. Damage is cheeks, utility is cheeks, playstyle is unique with the field effects but is done better by Arcade and Leader.

    Like with most of the champions this year, they have a use in a field in the game and while they don't exactly have the best damage, they have a place.

    White Tiger is a great power control champ, Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine, Ironheart provides some great utility to the tech class, Dust has good damage and has become a staple defender, The Serpent like Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine and very fun champ to play, Destroyer has great damage and defensive potential, Prowler also has great damage and utility, Spider-Punk has surprisingly great damage, Negasonic checks a lot of skill matchups, Northstar has insane damage in long fights, Arcade is a decent defender and has decent damage but is a very fun champ to play, Patriot is a strong Photon counter and has great damage and The Leader is broken in Regeneration and Power Gain matchups.

    Bear in mind I'm basing some of these summaries based on what I have seen as I don't own some of these champions, but I own Sable as a 7* and the small amount of utility she has paired with her terrible damage leads me to use other champions that don't even check the champions she was designed to counter solely because they can get it done quicker with less hassle.
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 473 ★★★
    edited August 4

    The issue is that Sable doesn't have anything that makes her stand out. Damage is cheeks, utility is cheeks, playstyle is unique with the field effects but is done better by Arcade and Leader.

    Like with most of the champions this year, they have a use in a field in the game and while they don't exactly have the best damage, they have a place.

    White Tiger is a great power control champ, Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine, Ironheart provides some great utility to the tech class, Dust has good damage and has become a staple defender, The Serpent like Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine and very fun champ to play, Destroyer has great damage and defensive potential, Prowler also has great damage and utility, Spider-Punk has surprisingly great damage, Negasonic checks a lot of skill matchups, Northstar has insane damage in long fights, Arcade is a decent defender and has decent damage but is a very fun champ to play, Patriot is a strong Photon counter and has great damage and The Leader is broken in Regeneration and Power Gain matchups.

    Bear in mind I'm basing some of these summaries based on what I have seen as I don't own some of these champions, but I own Sable as a 7* and the small amount of utility she has paired with her terrible damage leads me to use other champions that don't even check the champions she was designed to counter solely because they can get it done quicker with less hassle.

    NONE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NONE OF these champions have "GREAT DAMAGE"
    I know this is beyond the point you were trying to make but I just couldn't let you say that I'm sorry. Ignore me
    Lmao
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,273 ★★★★★
    JAYIRI said:

    The issue is that Sable doesn't have anything that makes her stand out. Damage is cheeks, utility is cheeks, playstyle is unique with the field effects but is done better by Arcade and Leader.

    Like with most of the champions this year, they have a use in a field in the game and while they don't exactly have the best damage, they have a place.

    White Tiger is a great power control champ, Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine, Ironheart provides some great utility to the tech class, Dust has good damage and has become a staple defender, The Serpent like Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine and very fun champ to play, Destroyer has great damage and defensive potential, Prowler also has great damage and utility, Spider-Punk has surprisingly great damage, Negasonic checks a lot of skill matchups, Northstar has insane damage in long fights, Arcade is a decent defender and has decent damage but is a very fun champ to play, Patriot is a strong Photon counter and has great damage and The Leader is broken in Regeneration and Power Gain matchups.

    Bear in mind I'm basing some of these summaries based on what I have seen as I don't own some of these champions, but I own Sable as a 7* and the small amount of utility she has paired with her terrible damage leads me to use other champions that don't even check the champions she was designed to counter solely because they can get it done quicker with less hassle.

    NONE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NONE OF these champions have "GREAT DAMAGE"
    I know this is beyond the point you were trying to make but I just couldn't let you say that I'm sorry. Ignore me
    Lmao
    nah bro dont dog my bros destroyer, spider punk, prowler, northstar and patriot
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,381 ★★★★★
    JAYIRI said:

    The issue is that Sable doesn't have anything that makes her stand out. Damage is cheeks, utility is cheeks, playstyle is unique with the field effects but is done better by Arcade and Leader.

    Like with most of the champions this year, they have a use in a field in the game and while they don't exactly have the best damage, they have a place.

    White Tiger is a great power control champ, Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine, Ironheart provides some great utility to the tech class, Dust has good damage and has become a staple defender, The Serpent like Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine and very fun champ to play, Destroyer has great damage and defensive potential, Prowler also has great damage and utility, Spider-Punk has surprisingly great damage, Negasonic checks a lot of skill matchups, Northstar has insane damage in long fights, Arcade is a decent defender and has decent damage but is a very fun champ to play, Patriot is a strong Photon counter and has great damage and The Leader is broken in Regeneration and Power Gain matchups.

    Bear in mind I'm basing some of these summaries based on what I have seen as I don't own some of these champions, but I own Sable as a 7* and the small amount of utility she has paired with her terrible damage leads me to use other champions that don't even check the champions she was designed to counter solely because they can get it done quicker with less hassle.

    NONE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NONE OF these champions have "GREAT DAMAGE"
    I know this is beyond the point you were trying to make but I just couldn't let you say that I'm sorry. Ignore me
    Lmao
    As a WT fan she may not be the top mystic but her damage is great. I know it’s one example but she can close out r3 Sasquatch’s as fast as science nukes and if that doesn’t mean great damage, idk what does

    Also this is getting into semantics and from a bg standpoint most champs lack damage and are disappointing but there are champs there with great damage. Northstar has great damage and so does destroyer. Unfortunately their loops are bad and you won’t get to use that damage potential much. Patriot had good damage too but he also seems to need to get going. So it’s a combination of bad damage champs combined with “takes a long time to get great damage” champs (northstar, destroyer, patriot)
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,407 ★★★★★
    JAYIRI said:

    The issue is that Sable doesn't have anything that makes her stand out. Damage is cheeks, utility is cheeks, playstyle is unique with the field effects but is done better by Arcade and Leader.

    Like with most of the champions this year, they have a use in a field in the game and while they don't exactly have the best damage, they have a place.

    White Tiger is a great power control champ, Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine, Ironheart provides some great utility to the tech class, Dust has good damage and has become a staple defender, The Serpent like Bullseye is a utility and defensive machine and very fun champ to play, Destroyer has great damage and defensive potential, Prowler also has great damage and utility, Spider-Punk has surprisingly great damage, Negasonic checks a lot of skill matchups, Northstar has insane damage in long fights, Arcade is a decent defender and has decent damage but is a very fun champ to play, Patriot is a strong Photon counter and has great damage and The Leader is broken in Regeneration and Power Gain matchups.

    Bear in mind I'm basing some of these summaries based on what I have seen as I don't own some of these champions, but I own Sable as a 7* and the small amount of utility she has paired with her terrible damage leads me to use other champions that don't even check the champions she was designed to counter solely because they can get it done quicker with less hassle.

    NONE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NONE OF these champions have "GREAT DAMAGE"
    I know this is beyond the point you were trying to make but I just couldn't let you say that I'm sorry. Ignore me
    Lmao
    My r2 7* Ironheart hits like a r4 6* when she gets bad armor RNG, that's great damage what do you mean 😎
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,273 ★★★★★

    Why does every Kabam decision become a dagger to someone’s soul? It’s a free mobile video game with hundreds of champs.

    You’ll survive.

    Cause we have a right to speak our mind and provide criticism or praise on any given aspect. Same as every other aspect of life, same as it ever was.

    Nothing is exempt, this game would not be where it is without communication between the developers and the player's praises and criticisms.
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